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#27 Jan 18 2006 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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Why Intel retained such a large marketshare in the PC market, I'll never know -


simple, it is their relationship with Microsoft and the mass market makers of PC desktops like Dell and Gateway. How often do you see the top brand names like Dell, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Sony, etc... using anything other then Intel chips?

very very very seldom will you see an AMD chip in those brands and if you do it is never advertised on TV.

the reason is the same as to why you only see them advertising Windows as their OS. it is a lock on their contract with Microsoft and Intel to keep the wholesale price of the software and hardware lower so the mass makers can drop the price of of the bottom of the PC market and yet still make a proffit.

think about it. just a few years ago PCs were going for under $400 including a 17in CRT monitor. they were P4 systems with 512M or 256M ram, came with winXP Home (most of the time Pro was an upgrade option) AGP vid cards, etc...

you could not buy all of the hardware and software for as much as the big names were selling the package for. they did it in bulk and they did it in contracts to block out companies like AMD and other OSs. Call any of the big name brand PC makers and try to get a workstation running linux?

Dell offers RHE on their servers but that also includes the 5yr servicea agreement with RH for roughly $750 or about the same price as you pay for base win2k3 server with 5 client license. so that is defeating the point of buying a system to put Linux on it or any other OS for that matter.

3 years ago i tried to get Dell, Gateway, and HP (before they joined with Compaq so may of been a tad longer) to sell me just the hardware with no OS pre-installed. NONE of them would do it, and at the time Dell would not even talk to me about RHE. HP wanted to sell me their vs of linux, but it is not true linux as it is closed and not open thus not true GPL, and Gateway just refused to do anything other then win2k or winNT servers.

So in a very long winded answere to your question as to how Intel has stayed in business as long as they have, they are in bed with MS and a large part of the vender relationship that has made MS as powerful as it is today.
#28 Jan 18 2006 at 9:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I used to use AMD processors almost exclusivly, then I melted three 1.0 ghz Athalons in sucession in a case with more than adequate fan support and ventalation, no overclocking. I swore off AMD forever at that time, though now I am seriously considering giving them a second look.
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#29 Jan 18 2006 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
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My mom swears by Mac's...I fail to see the appeal.


My dad likes Macs and my brother likes macs. I like PCs yet I'm stuck with a mac that can't play any games cause they don't have any good games for Mac. Except for WoW and Star Craft, but I don't play WoW and Star Craft is old and probably won't run on a G5.

Can't wait to get a PC. I don't know why people say they're so much easier to use. My mom still has trouble using the internet.
#31 Jan 19 2006 at 12:44 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, same here. The only time I've managed to cook one was on an older machine I had laying around. The CPU fan died and a few minutes later I could smell the core melting. Mmmm, fried electronics.

None of my other systems has ever had a chip problem. I tend to burn through a power supply every 8 months or so (really lame power in this apartment) but never a problem from the motherboard components.
#32 Jan 19 2006 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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My motherboard saved my chip when this happened to me (cpu fan died) Thank you ASUS.
#33 Jan 20 2006 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had an AMD melt down within 5 minutes of turning it on once.. room smelled like melted plastic from when the fan dripped all over my case. But AMD was very nice and prompt about replacing it.
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#34 Jan 20 2006 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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Macs are best used as tools.

I swear by Macs for video and sound editing for TV and film. I love Final Cut.

However, for a multi-use platform, PC all the way.
#35 Jan 21 2006 at 2:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Macs are best used as tools.


That's SO true! I find they work best as boat anchors or doorstops, though I have had some luck using a mac as a hammer! They make lousy screwdrivers and wrenches though
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#36 Jan 21 2006 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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I'm impressed with AMDs where I have air conditioning and/or good ventilation, but let those babies warm up and they're like Al'Katie's butt-cheeks on an over-upholstered barstool..

Where that's not the case (and on laptops where I can't guarantee what atmosphere I'll be working in) I stick with Intel.

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#37 Jan 21 2006 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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I had a CPU fan die once, and unkown for a few days. Took me to figuring out that my system crashes were overheating. Suprisingly the AMD chip survived the temps.
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#38 Jan 21 2006 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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I had a CPU fan die once, and unkown for a few days. Took me to figuring out that my system crashes were overheating. Suprisingly the AMD chip survived the temps.
Last Summer my Box Fan (as opposed to the CPU Fan) failed.

Noblet forgot I'd asked him not to boot it up and it fried. I mean totally - melted & charred the M/B and the Graphics card. Had to build a new one but stuck with AMD.

Thankfully, I've managed to remotely hook the main processor up to one of Nadenu's disapproving glances and the temperature's stayed below 20 degrees.
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#39 Jan 21 2006 at 2:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thankfully, I've managed to remotely hook the main processor up to one of Nadenu's disapproving glances and the temperature's stayed below 20 degrees.


I really hope she makes this her sig.

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#40 Jan 21 2006 at 4:58 PM Rating: Excellent
Kaolian had 5cc of orange juice before typing this thread (its deadly for him - makes him into a mad mac hating pshyco).
#41 Jan 21 2006 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
im really supprised to hear all of the horror stories with the AMD chip. ive never had one run hotter then 150F and that was with overclocking and a retail fan.

i normaly run around 120-130F without overclock, but then my system(s) have 2-5 case fans, 2 fans on the PSU, plus an oversized CPU heatsink and fan. i do that even for intel systems. heat is horrid on any kind of electronics. good fresh air circulation is your friend. as is keeping your system dust free.
#42 Jan 22 2006 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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The reason Intel has maintained such a large market share is due entirely to the other chipmakers themselves. They spent the latter part of the 90s putting out poor quality chips while claiming unrealistic clockspeeds that were so out of touch with reality you had to wonder if you were reading specs from the future? Remember the 5x86 anyone?

The other manufacturers gave themselves a reputation for making cheap poor quality knockoffs for kids that couldn't afford the better pentium chips. Like that goon who tries to race every camaro he pulls up next to in his 97 neon with the oversized aluminum spoiler. AMD makes far better chips today, in some respects better than their higher priced Intel counterparts, but many of us refuse to forget replacing charred and melted motherboards, or resolving constant bluescreens for angry customers who thought they were getting a better deal with the cheaper chips.
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#43 Jan 22 2006 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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or resolving constant bluescreens for angry customers who thought they were getting a better deal with the cheaper chips.


that had little to do with the chip and 100% to do with MS intentionally building code that was not compatable with the AMD chip. happend every time there was a large step up in technology. remember the Athlon? that was one of the first chips to blow away Intel yet was known to have issues with 2k and XP, the 2 new OSs from MS at that time.
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