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#1 Jan 16 2006 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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Furore over Patriot Act power to seize records

So before you go the the Doctor for that embarassing condition you're suffering from. . .

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Doctors in the US have reacted angrily to news that patients' medical records could be seized for investigation without warrant or "probable cause" under the Patriot Act.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons have created a pressure group, Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances, to campaign for the act to be amended to exclude confidential medical records, reports the British Medical Jounal.



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#2 Jan 16 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Love how you stop after the first two paragraphs there Nobby.

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The potential for the disclosure of medical records was first noticed when a newspaper reporter saw a clause in her medical centre's privacy policy that stated that they "may disclose medical information about you to authorised federal officials so they may without limitation ... provide protection to the President, other authorised persons or foreign heads of state or conduct special investigations, or conduct lawful intelligence, counter-intelligence or other national security activities authorised by law."


*cough* This language has been on medical forms for as long as I can remember. They're also on a lot of employment forms as well. This issue really has nothing to do with the Patriot Act at all, and I'm not aware of a single instance in which the Patriot Act has actually been used to obtain medical records without a warrant.

But hey, let's go on to the next paragraph:

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According to the ACLU, Additionally, medical records can be handed over to the police without a warrant in a number of circumstances outside the Patriot Act, including locating missing persons and if a crime has been committed on the premises of the patient. Section 215 of the Patriot Act gives the authorities the right to seize medical records (under the term "any tangible things") to investigate terrorism with a court order, without notice.


Yup. Nothing new. The government has had the power to do this in particular cases since long before the Patriot Act came along. I'm not saying this is great or that this isn't something we should look at. What I *am* saying is that the implication that it's those "darn Republicans and their Patriot Act" that may result in a violation of your medical confidentiality is pretty far off base. You were just as likely to have your medical records searched without a warrant 10 years ago as you are today.

And let's not miss the fact that the clause under the Patriot Act clearly states that it requires a court order (ie: a warrant). So... What we're really talking about is a story about a reporter who noticed that the medical forms indicated that medical records could be seized without a warrant. The reporter leaped to the assumption that this was a result of the Patriot Act. After actually investigating, it was discovered that it actually has nothing to do with the Patriot Act and has been around for awhile, and in fact the Patiot Act has *more* protection for the citizens privacy then other apparently "non-patriotic" laws, but it's apparently too good of a bit of rhetoric, so we'll just package the story in such a way that people who are bad at reading will assume it's the Patriot Act that's responsible...

Edited, Mon Jan 16 15:33:47 2006 by gbaji
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#3 Jan 17 2006 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
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Cause yeah, they've been taking that whole "requires a court order" thing very seriously so far.
#4 Jan 17 2006 at 3:30 AM Rating: Good
I'm under the impression that gbaji can be associated to one of those lovable German neighbors which denounced you to the ***** if they found out you were Jewish.

Anyone else share the same view?
#5 Jan 17 2006 at 7:29 AM Rating: Default
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and I'm not aware of a single instance in which the Patriot Act has actually been used to obtain medical records without a warrant.




That's because the only people that the FBI is required to tell about the documents that they get without warrants is a special comittee of the senate, who also can't tell anyone.



Edited, Tue Jan 17 07:34:35 2006 by TheDakster
#6 Jan 17 2006 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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*cough* This language has been on medical forms for as long as I can remember.


Bullsh[i][/i]it. I used to manage a medical office, several years ago. I've never seen that disclaimer.
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#7 Jan 17 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
There is no good that can come from the erosion of the very liberties our forefathers have bled and died to protect. This nation spirals into fascist swine shi[/u]t every day from both sides of our supposed politcal alley.

When our society fundamentally changes due to "terrorist attacks" then we have handed them the victory. There is no single attack on our nation that warrants this protectionist shadow empire impulse we have seen from our leadership. To defend it is tantamount to throwing on a red coat and jumping into a time machine as far as Im concerned.
#8 Jan 17 2006 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji

You don't have a clue what you're taling about.

Not one of my US medical or health management colleagues has ever heard of requests without a federal warrant. Until now.

This is new, unprecedented and causing outrage in the Medical community.

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#9 Jan 17 2006 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
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*cough* This language has been on medical forms for as long as I can remember.


Bullsh[i][/i]it. I used to manage a medical office, several years ago. I've never seen that disclaimer.


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#10 Jan 17 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Gabji? shown to blatently know nothing about a subject while blindly followingrepublican policy???

well i never....

Personally, and i realise it controversial but i have no problem with any person in crime prevention/investigation being allowed access to any document they feel might further thier equiries.

So long as they have a superiors backing or there are consequences for missappropriation i'm all for cutting out the red tape.


but notice this is just a personal view and i don't try to look like i know about things i truely have no idea about.
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