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Did you miss the part where I mentioned the experiments were set up to observe different things, or is it just your nature to try to win a discussion through condescension and bravado?
Let me just try to clarify this again before I try to sleep.
Wehn it is being watched, it reacts. This intonates an interconnectedness in all things. period
therefore is it not riduculous to assume that a part of your consciousness is not playing a NON-LOCAL ROLE?????????
Wehn it is being watched, it reacts. This intonates an interconnectedness in all things. period
therefore is it not riduculous to assume that a part of your consciousness is not playing a NON-LOCAL ROLE?????????
Jawbox the Furtive wrote:
Did you miss the part where I mentioned the experiments were set up to observe different things, or is it just your nature to try to win a discussion through condescension and bravado?
YOu do not understand.
I understand waht you THink you understand, but listen.
These things that they are measuring...... They are the universal building blocks of all physical reality.
So to say:
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the experiments were set up to observe different things
calm down and understand. watch it again.. it's just a cartoon, waht you saw ther wasn't LITERALLY waht they did
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All the video really demonstrates is that when we set up experiments to see particles, we see particles. When we set up experiments to see waves, we see waves.
and yeah, you definatly did NOT get it. Watch it again a little closer. Maybe the whole thing this time?
Edited, Wed Feb 8 01:27:50 2006 by Kelvyquayo
Wow, is this quantum actualization stuff still going on? Thought kelv jumped off that band wagon a month ago. We need another topic of unprovable, unsupported, illogical jargon to appease the last few people desperately trying to find god in their banana pudding.
Edited, Wed Feb 8 12:21:16 2006 by EvilPhysicist
Edited, Wed Feb 8 12:21:16 2006 by EvilPhysicist
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unprovable, unsupported, illogical
the proof is in the pudding.
HOW ARE YOU CONTESTING THE DUEL PARTICLE/WAVE NATURE OF ELECTRONS?
Isn't this basic stuff for for you? You're saying that you don;t even believe experiments that have been performed over and over again????!!?
It's one thing to claim that it's a dead-end out of lack of motivation or courage.. but to disbelieve it because we cannot explain it in any conventional way is TOTAL RETARDEDNESS
oh yeah, you're just a troll
Edited, Wed Feb 8 19:48:31 2006 by Kelvyquayo
Ok, so you're going on and on about some concept of awareness existing outside of the mind/body. But you know what? WHO CARES. In the end does it really matter? If there was some sort of detached consciousness that somehow is magically transmitted through each of our bodies, what benefits does it give us? If this concept was indeed a fact, does it give us some enhanced level of intelligence or wisdom through the cumulative experiences of this detached consciousness? No.
If this detached consciousness were of any significance, we would be aware of events that occurred before we were channeled through a physical body. Since what makes us who we are is basically manifested in our bodies, once that body is no more, even if there is some conscious entity out there that we're associated with, it wouldn't matter. Who we are, what we have learned, our personalities and experience will be lost.
I certainly don't have memories of anything prior to a very young age (read: no self-awareness worth mentioning), so why make assumptions that we'll have any significant level of consciousness after death? Without our cumulative lifetime experiences, we no longer are who we are, so the whole point is moot. For all I care my thoughts could be beamed into my brain by some giant intelligent pink elephant in some other galaxy, because in the end it won't make a lick of difference once I've died, since I will cease to be who I am.
If this detached consciousness were of any significance, we would be aware of events that occurred before we were channeled through a physical body. Since what makes us who we are is basically manifested in our bodies, once that body is no more, even if there is some conscious entity out there that we're associated with, it wouldn't matter. Who we are, what we have learned, our personalities and experience will be lost.
I certainly don't have memories of anything prior to a very young age (read: no self-awareness worth mentioning), so why make assumptions that we'll have any significant level of consciousness after death? Without our cumulative lifetime experiences, we no longer are who we are, so the whole point is moot. For all I care my thoughts could be beamed into my brain by some giant intelligent pink elephant in some other galaxy, because in the end it won't make a lick of difference once I've died, since I will cease to be who I am.
Baron von Fhqwghads wrote:
Ok, so you're going on and on about some concept of awareness existing outside of the mind/body. But you know what? WHO CARES. In the end does it really matter? If there was some sort of detached consciousness that somehow is magically transmitted through each of our bodies, what benefits does it give us? If this concept was indeed a fact, does it give us some enhanced level of intelligence or wisdom through the cumulative experiences of this detached consciousness? No.
If this detached consciousness were of any significance, we would be aware of events that occurred before we were channeled through a physical body. Since what makes us who we are is basically manifested in our bodies, once that body is no more, even if there is some conscious entity out there that we're associated with, it wouldn't matter. Who we are, what we have learned, our personalities and experience will be lost.
I certainly don't have memories of anything prior to a very young age (read: no self-awareness worth mentioning), so why make assumptions that we'll have any significant level of consciousness after death? Without our cumulative lifetime experiences, we no longer are who we are, so the whole point is moot. For all I care my thoughts could be beamed into my brain by some giant intelligent pink elephant in some other galaxy, because in the end it won't make a lick of difference once I've died, since I will cease to be who I am.
If this detached consciousness were of any significance, we would be aware of events that occurred before we were channeled through a physical body. Since what makes us who we are is basically manifested in our bodies, once that body is no more, even if there is some conscious entity out there that we're associated with, it wouldn't matter. Who we are, what we have learned, our personalities and experience will be lost.
I certainly don't have memories of anything prior to a very young age (read: no self-awareness worth mentioning), so why make assumptions that we'll have any significant level of consciousness after death? Without our cumulative lifetime experiences, we no longer are who we are, so the whole point is moot. For all I care my thoughts could be beamed into my brain by some giant intelligent pink elephant in some other galaxy, because in the end it won't make a lick of difference once I've died, since I will cease to be who I am.
So you are saying that only thing that you can consciously and presently remember are the only things that matter to you and that are effecting you?
waht a shallow person you must be.
Kelvyquayo, Eater of Souls wrote:
So you are saying that only thing that you can consciously and presently remember are the only things that matter to you and that are effecting you?
waht a shallow person you must be.
waht a shallow person you must be.
Lol kelv, nope, im not discrediting duality, im simply pointing out your vast misunderstanding of the subject in which you are attempting to commit mysterious connections. But perhaps you are right, perhaps the people educated in the sciences are the ignorant ones, and the people who make up BS based on half *** psuedoscience are the enlightened ones. Only time will tell >.>
Edited, Thu Feb 9 00:14:59 2006 by EvilPhysicist
Edited, Thu Feb 9 00:14:59 2006 by EvilPhysicist
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Aye .. speaking from whatever vault or well of experience I have and having only flicked through these posts .. it's is definitly good to have a good firm grip on science . . the arts ... and perhaps faith or spirituality .. reality kept simple is wonderful .. simple pleasures simple things . .another favorite pasttime is paradigm exploration . .hopefully with some form of understandable personality at the ready with the rules and the games.. and one last thing I like to do . .when time allows is to discern for myself .. simple objects based on my own experience and intuition . .just take some time out to do some personal therapy and put things in order in a sense. Don't forget the simple things .. and .. of course my friend .. have fun . .and a positive spirit when you define things .. learn from mistakes no matter how horrible they seem ... and.. and this maybe a step over the line butI'm just going to lay it out there .. call it superstition .. call it whateveryou wish to percieve it as and I pray itis unneccessary. . make general arrangements for an afterlife .. and thank god that crystals can save you no matter where you get k.o.d.. cause some of this **** is either a) notpretty .. or b) so pretty that you want to stop by again and again .. although you can't stay.. have a wonderful day and don't forget .. don't sell the rights .. give them away when you can
Baron von Fhqwghads wrote:
Kelvyquayo, Eater of Souls wrote:
So you are saying that only thing that you can consciously and presently remember are the only things that matter to you and that are effecting you?
waht a shallow person you must be.
waht a shallow person you must be.
no , I just felt like being an as[/b]shole. don't get your sh[b]it in a brick.
EvilPhysicist wrote:
Lol kelv, nope, im not discrediting duality, im simply pointing out your vast misunderstanding of the subject in which you are attempting to commit mysterious connections. But perhaps you are right, perhaps the people educated in the sciences are the ignorant ones, and the people who make up BS based on half *** psuedoscience are the enlightened ones. Only time will tell >.>
Edited, Thu Feb 9 00:14:59 2006 by EvilPhysicist
Edited, Thu Feb 9 00:14:59 2006 by EvilPhysicist
Just remember the name John Stewart Bell.
and get your heads out yer asses.
I know the name, for people like him are unforunately common even in science. People drag god into whatever they can, and desperately try and find meaning for their little lives. This man simply happens to be a physisist. Only difference here is that quantum physics is less understood by everyday people and thus a sense of mystery and inspiring hope of the unknown is given to all those gullable enough to buy into the psuedoscience jargon. Science is a deadly weapon when misunderstood.
oh man, in actuality, (which shows your total ignorance and half-assed concideration of any of these things, John Stewart Bell never proclaimed in any divine spark in anything.. nor any God or divine creator.
On the contrary , he totally agrees with you in saying that any change due to measurement had the most minumal effects on the atomic scale.
The only reason I endorse him so much is his opening the door for the way that enables thinker and scientists to formulate equations and ideas that include an undefined variable and still work.... leaving room for the "blind assumptions" as you call them. Theoretical Philosophy.
You are just an extreme realist.
Non-locality is a fact. You just don't feel like dealing with it, cause you are barking up your own tree..
On the contrary , he totally agrees with you in saying that any change due to measurement had the most minumal effects on the atomic scale.
The only reason I endorse him so much is his opening the door for the way that enables thinker and scientists to formulate equations and ideas that include an undefined variable and still work.... leaving room for the "blind assumptions" as you call them. Theoretical Philosophy.
You are just an extreme realist.
Non-locality is a fact. You just don't feel like dealing with it, cause you are barking up your own tree..
Kelvyquayo, Eater of Souls wrote:
oh man, in actuality, (which shows your total ignorance and half-assed concideration of any of these things, John Stewart Bell never proclaimed in any divine spark in anything.. nor any God or divine creator.
On the contrary , he totally agrees with you in saying that any change due to measurement had the most minumal effects on the atomic scale.
The only reason I endorse him so much is his opening the door for the way that enables thinker and scientists to formulate equations and ideas that include an undefined variable and still work.... leaving room for the "blind assumptions" as you call them. Theoretical Philosophy.
You are just an extreme realist.
Non-locality is a fact. You just don't feel like dealing with it, cause you are barking up your own tree..
On the contrary , he totally agrees with you in saying that any change due to measurement had the most minumal effects on the atomic scale.
The only reason I endorse him so much is his opening the door for the way that enables thinker and scientists to formulate equations and ideas that include an undefined variable and still work.... leaving room for the "blind assumptions" as you call them. Theoretical Philosophy.
You are just an extreme realist.
Non-locality is a fact. You just don't feel like dealing with it, cause you are barking up your own tree..
He did more than leave the door open, he asserted claims of such possibilites. Such assertations are what im arguing agaisnt. Theoretical Philosophy is not the same as quantum actualization. And the difference between Theoretical Physics and Theoretical Philosophy is often times data and evidence...
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