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#27 Jan 13 2006 at 1:23 PM Rating: Decent
Professor klyia wrote:
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the only thing i can say is that FL now has a simular law, but no exceptions for casinos. All of the bars, resteraunts, etcs. all said the same thing as yours are now. it will kill their business, etc.

it has not, and the bar/resteraunt next to my school has more people going to it today then it did before the smoking ban.


There is one bar in Tallahassee that advertises that is is the only place in town that allows smoking. They were always packed when I lived there.

I'm not familiar with the law in FL, is there a way for certain business to be exempt from the smoking ban?


yes, has something to do with food.
#28 Jan 13 2006 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Now I smoke, but I try to be respectable about it, I wait till people are done eating


I somewhat agree with the rest of your post, but I found the above quote funny. It is obvious to me that smokers just don't get it. Inhaling second hand smoke is just as repulsive to me when I'm not eating as it is when I am. I understand that you think this is being respectful, but you just don't get it.

I once worked for a guy that smoked and we worked from his house developing software. Even if he wasn't smoking, he ALWAYS had a cigarette lit even if it was just going to burn up in his ash-tray. One day I mentioned to him that I couldn't even go out after work without going home and completely desmoking myself first. He seemed concerned and wanted to do the right thing to make it easier for me at work. His solution: He put a tiny little fan in the window and pointed it outside. Smiley: laugh
#29 Jan 13 2006 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
I understand your point completely. And if someone expresses to me in no uncertain terms that they just can’t deal with it, then I will leave their presence when I go to light up. Now I understand that my clothes will reek, but other than smoking in the nude, and then redressing afterwards, there is just not much I can do about it.
#30 Jan 13 2006 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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the only thing i can say is that FL now has a simular law, but no exceptions for casinos. All of the bars, resteraunts, etcs. all said the same thing as yours are now. it will kill their business, etc.
Atleast when I lived in south Florida a year and a half ago the law didn't apply to: Bars that do not serve food, casinos, and resturant bars (no food) which are in a seprate room with a door (and then most just proped the door open).

I'm suprised that they changed it since those seemed like pretty decent regulations. =/
#31 Jan 13 2006 at 3:03 PM Rating: Good
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I'm kind of curious as to why they will still allow smoking on the casino floors. Does the logic not apply there, are you free from second hand smoke because you are gambling? Why do I get the feeling it's because of the tax revenue produced?
I'm sure it is. That and the casinos have a powerful lobby that can help "convince" lawmakers to exempt them.

Jack Abramoff wha?
#32 Jan 13 2006 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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Look I could give a crap if you kill yourself smoking, however, it pisses me off that I can't afford healthcare coverage because it costs 8 grand to goto the hospital because they need to recoup the costs from every tom, ****, and harry who spends their entire life doing something they know is likely to kill them slowly, agonizingly, and expensivly, and then expect top notch medical care for free in their last few years of life.


Um... You are aware that smokers pay far more into the medical care field then they cost, right? When you add up the taxes applied to tobbacco products (something like 85% of a typical pack of cigarettes, nearly all of which goes into medical budgets), and then add up the fact that smokers pay higher premiums for insurance (medical and life), it's far more accurate to say that you pay *less* for medical care because of smokers.


That's not to say that everyone should smoke up or anything. But your argument is essentially baseless. You most definately do not pay more for a hospital visit because of smokers. Additionally, many medical advancements in the treatment of heart and lung diseases are the direct result of the funding recieved from taxes on cigarettes. So if you ever happen to develop a heart or lung ailment (and statistically the majority of such cases are *not* smokers), you're benefiting from research funded by smokers.


Your argument is pretty much completely backwards.
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#34 Jan 14 2006 at 6:31 AM Rating: Good
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I support the ban. I feel it's just common sense evolution, designed to protect those who do not smoke. There may be some fluctuation in bar business, but people will get thier "drink" on have no fear.

I think most places will just turn a blind eye at first, then of course there will be fines as people begin to complain. (people always complain)

In light of this new law, why in the Fu[b][/b]ck would they allow a casino to have smoking? All those senior's at the slots are close to death anyway? I just don't follow that line of thinking.... A casino is just as public as any bar or bowling alley. Gotta love Joisey politics. Fughettaboutit!
#35 Jan 14 2006 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
When I see friends from my school smoking (cigarettes) I cant help but feel... I can't describe it, its a mix between hopelessness and frustration. How desperate can they for acceptance that they smoke just for the sake of rebelling? Or do I have it wrong, is there some good reason to smoke (cigarettes) I haven't heard about? I've tried to get them to stop but its really too late for them already. It's seems so pathetic... and the worst part is that they're good people but now they're gonna have a 10-20 year shorter life because of mistakes they made when they're stupid and young. This has nothing to do with the smoking ban but its an observation of mine none the less.
#36 Jan 14 2006 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I realize that smoking doesn't just affect the smoker, but still... I hate being told that I'm not able to do something that (right now) is still perfectly legal


Nobody is telling you that you can't smoke just where it is unacceptable to do so. I smoked 3pks a day for 15 years and it wasn't that difficult to quit. I respect the persons right to put as many nails in thier coffins as they desire.
#37 Jan 14 2006 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
I'm considering taking up smoking again.

This BS about not stepping on the rights of non-smokers is getting deep enough to drive me to that sort of unhealthy act just so I can flagantry disregard the bans and better express my inner *******.

Before I'd write a law banning smoking in certain places, I'd write one banning the use of walkie-talkie cellphones. I'm gonna shove one of those up somebody's *** soon, I'm afraid.
#38 Jan 14 2006 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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Angorak, Eater of Souls wrote:
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I realize that smoking doesn't just affect the smoker, but still... I hate being told that I'm not able to do something that (right now) is still perfectly legal


Nobody is telling you that you can't smoke just where it is unacceptable to do so. I smoked 3pks a day for 15 years and it wasn't that difficult to quit. I respect the persons right to put as many nails in thier coffins as they desire.


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#40 Jan 14 2006 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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I find I smoke less when I roll my own, smoother and a more natural feel too.



I hear ya, plus it's a great way to let others know you've done time. Then there's the added benefit of how much more likely you are to be approached by potheads.

And yeah, my employer has us smokers outside in a little plexiglass-walled hut. I'm not one to complain though, because it truely is the best part of my day to get out of the cubicle, march outside with my black-lunged little buddies and contribute to our own choking demises. On the other hand, smoking in the bar should be not only an unalienable right, it is such a fundamental part of the culture that I don't hesitate to call it my duty.

#44 Jan 14 2006 at 12:39 PM Rating: Default
That dopamine is what makes those other students and workers so focused after a smoke break. That's why kids on meth are such attentative students.
#45 Jan 14 2006 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Before I'd write a law banning smoking in certain places, I'd write one banning the use of walkie-talkie cellphones. I'm gonna shove one of those up somebody's *** soon, I'm afraid.


The worst of it is that there is a button right on the side that will make the walkie talkie part work just like a regular cell phone, yet people really think everyone wants to hear them shout about what kind of tampons their wives want in the middle of the store so they crank the stupid thing up to max volume. I fear it would still be perfectly audible even after you shove it up their ***.
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#46 Jan 15 2006 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
Now I am a non smoker, but I disagree with banning smoking in all those places. I would rather laws too give seperate areas and a ventilation system then out right banning. I find that once a place bans smoking you have to walk past smokers to get in. Thus forcing us near the smokers. Now I uderstand enclosed spaces such as planes, but when they can get all the smokers cramed into one corner, let them smoke.


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I think it is more that smokers are sloppy smokers. I have been to too many hotels with burn holes in sheets, in cutains, on counters. On a side note, isnt it amazing that here in Texas you cant BBQ from the fire hazard, but people still think it is ok to throw cigarette butts out the window.
#47 Jan 15 2006 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't smoke but I take smoke breaks with the guys at work who do. I just go outside and shoot the **** for 5 minutes a few times a day. Its a nice break and the weather here is beautiful right now. And it gets me an extra 30 minutes or so of break time by the end of the day.

So: even if you don't smoke, take the breaks.
#48 Jan 17 2006 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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New York passed a law simular to this about 4-5 years ago? im not too sure on the exact year. Basically, you are not allowed to smoke in bars, casino's, etc.

But, also, If you loose too much money because of the ban, the state grants you a "Pass" so to say where it is allowed to smoke in ur bar. I haven't seen any in NY that have this "Pass", but when i go bar hopping on friday ill be sure to keep my eye out.

But all in all they didnt loose as much money as i thought they would. who knew drowning their sorrow's with celery sticks would work.
#49 Jan 17 2006 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
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TStephens wrote:
I'm considering taking up smoking again.

This BS about not stepping on the rights of non-smokers is getting deep enough to drive me to that sort of unhealthy act just so I can flagantry disregard the bans and better express my inner *******.

I'm hard pressed to think you need help but if it cooks your omelet, knock yourself out.

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Before I'd write a law banning smoking in certain places, I'd write one banning the use of walkie-talkie cellphones. I'm gonna shove one of those up somebody's *** soon, I'm afraid.
Try to prove their cellphone gives you cancer first. That way the law will support you.
#50 Jan 18 2006 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
We had our ban go into effect last December. Doesn't bother me much...

Now I consider myself a very, er, considerate smoker. I don't do it in restaurants, near doors or kids, really much of anyplace that isn't my deck or a bar. Heck I really don't smoke much at all, except maybe in a bar.

Now I can't smoke in a bar.

Now I can smell the women wearing too much perfume and stale beer on the bar floor. Let me tell you, stale beer and grease from the fryers is a nasty combo.

It's hard for me to go to a bar without smoking. Honestly it makes no sense to me. Alcohol is a poison, correct? It isn't really good for you and you can, in fact, kill yourself very quickly with it. Thank god that's the only thing I can kill myself with now in a bar.

I understand the law is supposed to protect workers from the smoke but come on...YOU WORK IN A BAR. Have some perspective here...

Personally I think the law was designed to protect lawmakers careers.



Edited, Wed Jan 18 00:26:13 2006 by Lysus
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