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#1 Jan 07 2006 at 6:06 PM Rating: Default
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admin edit: Video is WS, however potentially NWS ads.

At least he probably didn't feel any pain.

Edited, Sat Jan 7 18:10:57 2006 by Kaolian
#2 Jan 07 2006 at 6:08 PM Rating: Default
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Poor kid has to live with that the rest of his life now.
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#3 Jan 07 2006 at 6:29 PM Rating: Decent
Hopefully he was not old enough to quite realize what just happened.
#4 Jan 07 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Default
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Hopefully, but still what if the kid suffered head injuries seeing as he was being held by a tall 5' low 6' man? That's a bit of a fall as well.

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Not to mention the sound of the gun going off may of damaged his hearing.

Edited, Sat Jan 7 18:35:02 2006 by Kupoback
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#5 Jan 07 2006 at 6:37 PM Rating: Default
I'm sure that Jew was a fu[b][/b]cking terrible father before hand. He probably had had previous gun shot injuries.

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#6 Jan 07 2006 at 10:59 PM Rating: Good
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What kind of sick ******* holds a knife to a lil kid?



He got off easy with a quick painless death.
#7 Jan 07 2006 at 11:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you think that it was necessary to shoot the guy in the head? Wouldn't the same end have been accomplished if they had shot him in another area, like the fu[i][/i]cking arm that was holding the knife? Hard to stab somebody when you've got a bullet in your shoulder.
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#8 Jan 07 2006 at 11:10 PM Rating: Decent
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**** the guy, what about the kid.

Won't someone please think of the children?
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#9 Jan 07 2006 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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Do you think that it was necessary to shoot the guy in the head? Wouldn't the same end have been accomplished if they had shot him in another area, like the fu[i][/i]cking arm that was holding the knife? Hard to stab somebody when you've got a bullet in your shoulder.



He was of no further use to society anyway, no big loss.
#10 Jan 07 2006 at 11:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do you think that it was necessary to shoot the guy in the head? Wouldn't the same end have been accomplished if they had shot him in another area, like the fu[/i]cking arm that was holding the knife? Hard to stab somebody when you've got a bullet in your shoulder.

He was of no further use to society anyway, no big loss.

Send him off to a rehabilitational facility for a few years, and he could still benefit society in some way, even if it's flipping burgers. Sh[i]
it, MJ almost threw his baby off a balcony (and molested little children), and we didn't shoot him.
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Demea wrote:
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Demea wrote:
Do you think that it was necessary to shoot the guy in the head? Wouldn't the same end have been accomplished if they had shot him in another area, like the fu[/i]cking arm that was holding the knife? Hard to stab somebody when you've got a bullet in your shoulder.

He was of no further use to society anyway, no big loss.

Send him off to a rehabilitational facility for a few years, and he could still benefit society in some way, even if it's flipping burgers. Sh[i]
it, MJ almost threw his baby off a balcony (and molested little children), and we didn't shoot him.



We should have. Will MJ do anything the rest of his life except be a joke? No. Hell, they'd be doing him a favor.


And the cost of fixing his stupid *** wouldn't be made up by flipping burgers, we've got teenagers to do that.
#12 Jan 07 2006 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Omelette, and this isn't supposed to be a leading question, do you think every human life, regardless of 'sins' has worth?

Can you also see how people can very easily make incredibly stupid decisions? Does such an error merit death?

I'm not establishing my own perspective here, but I am asking you to consider your own views very carefully.
#13 Jan 07 2006 at 11:34 PM Rating: Good
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When it comes to children you don't do things like that. If it had been another man, woman or teenager that's different. They should be capable of defending themselves and if not that's their fault for not being prepared.


Children are helpless, you do not FU[b][/b]CK with children plain and simple. Anyone who would risk the life of a child especially in a case like that deserves nothing less then what he got.


Do I think every life has merit? No I do not.



I am very aware of my views Al and I don't offer any form of apology for them.
#14 Jan 07 2006 at 11:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not asking for an apology, and I am not in any way saying that I disagree with what you are saying. I am merely challenging a view.

Is such a person as the one presented here truly worthless and deserving of death? Most would agree this man is scum, but is there not any punsihment other than death that would be acceptable?

Some would say that for such a sin this man owes it to society to try to make up for what he has done, not that he ever could.

So not all lives are equal? In this case you are elevating the child's safety above the life of the man who took him hostage correct? What determines the value of one's life?
#15 Jan 07 2006 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:

Is such a person as the one presented here truly worthless and deserving of death? Most would agree this man is scum, but is there not any punsihment other than death that would be acceptable?



Such as? Prison? Why waste the money to keep him there? That could be better spent elsewhere on humanity.

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So not all lives are equal? In this case you are elevating the child's safety above the life of the man who took him hostage correct? What determines the value of one's life?



Actions determine your worth. Attempting to harm an innocent is not a worth while endeavor simple as that.
#16 Jan 07 2006 at 11:51 PM Rating: Default
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Alle, all I have to say in this conversation is, Imagine if it was your child, would you be pissed that they shot the guy in the head, or relieved that your child is safe and sound.
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#17 Jan 08 2006 at 12:31 AM Rating: Default
haha gj 2 police guy. shot damn fast and hit the guys head 2. deserved what he got.. poor kid, he's gonna be scarred for life
#18 Jan 08 2006 at 12:38 AM Rating: Good
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In real life shooting someone in the arm does not prevent them from using that arm to stab or shoot someone or whatever. That only happens on TV.
#19 Jan 08 2006 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Such as? Prison? Why waste the money to keep him there? That could be better spent elsewhere on humanity.

Work within prison could pay for his stay and more. Or perhaps in prison he ends up breaking up a prison brawl that ends in the death of three inmates.

Is it right to deny someone a future in this instance?
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Actions determine your worth. Attempting to harm an innocent is not a worth while endeavor simple as that.

Actions can be brash and not thought through. Is it all that difficult to make a seriously bad decision?
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Alle, all I have to say in this conversation is, Imagine if it was your child, would you be pissed that they shot the guy in the head, or relieved that your child is safe and sound.

I'm not saying anything to the contrary.

What I'm saying is that if you make the statement that someone deserves to die you had better think it through very carefully.
#20 Jan 08 2006 at 2:10 AM Rating: Decent
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General reflexes would re-act as a jerk if shot unless trained.

Heres my veiw on the situation

He shot the arm not holding the gun: That if anything will not effect his other arm drastacilly enoguht to stop him from slitting the kids throught


He shot the arm holding the gun: Unless trained army (ops) I highly suspect an natural jerk would occur thus killing teh child

Head shot: Even if doesn't kill him it will instantly paralayze him or "stun" him. if not instant death.


In my opinion that was a quick smart solution.

I rather have him die. Than that kid who could be a future president, an inventor, a doctor, even flipping burgers. Flipping buggers is more productive than holding a kid to knife.

EDIT:My veiws on this guy? He should burn in f*cking hell for that sh*t.

Edited, Sun Jan 8 02:16:08 2006 by justdistaint
#21 Jan 08 2006 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
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It's odd to see so many WoW posters outside the main forum. eh.

Justdistaint I don't believe that the man had direct intent to kill the child (he would have done so if he did). The infant was a hostage and so shooting him in the arm/side/leg would have probably been sufficient to disable him.


I'm not a person full of high morals. I'm usually very cold and practical. But I don't like what happened there. I didn't want him to die.
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The title of this thread is ugly and despicable.
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The title of this thread is ugly and despicable.


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Demea wrote:
Do you think that it was necessary to shoot the guy in the head? Wouldn't the same end have been accomplished if they had shot him in another area, like the fu[i][/i]cking arm that was holding the knife? Hard to stab somebody when you've got a bullet in your shoulder.


What if the officer shot the man in the arm, and he killed the baby anyways? If that was my baby, I would be thanking that officer to no ends.


You don't even know what led up to the situation.
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Work within prison could pay for his stay and more. Or perhaps in prison he ends up breaking up a prison brawl that ends in the death of three inmates.



How many prisions really do a work program? And how many more are free rides?

And perhaps he gets ahold of a shiv and stabs those 3 people of moral fiber you hold so dear.



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Actions can be brash and not thought through. Is it all that difficult to make a seriously bad decision?



The fact that you chalk holding a Child at knife point a bad decision is disturbing. The actions that led to this incident may have been bad decisions on the mans part, but once you put the knife to the Childs throat you've kind of the realm of "Oops".


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What I'm saying is that if you make the statement that someone deserves to die you had better think it through very carefully.



Take a look at the little boys eyes in the video, and tell me you wouldn't have done the same.


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Or he could end up to be a future ******* holding a knife to a baby.

/shrug




There are plenty of Bullets in the world, and a decent supply of Police as well.


/Shrug

Edited, Sun Jan 8 07:09:10 2006 by CaptainOmelette
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