Jesus dragged into courtFollow

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I had to look him up. I thought it was an Adams reference, but I'd completely forgotten the list of his books.

Nobody is saying that one can't believe in Jesus, but if there's no evidence that he existed as even a historical figure then you shouldn't be able to teach it as a fact that he did.
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the Bible is the historical evidence that Jesus existed. just as our history books are evidence that gangis kahn existed.

and even if the church produced a body, people would deny its significance. he was just a man. prove he spoke for God. etc.

there is alot of prrof he did exist as a historical figure in other books as well, including the Koran, which was written at a differant time, in a differant place, by a differant people. the dead sea scrolls, another independant source.

there is no evidence, anywhere, that he did not exist. no smoking gun showing someone made up the Bible. no supersecreat document showing a conspiracy by christians to use a God to gain political power. none.

the absolute best an athiest can come up with is "prove he did exist". no smoking gun, no evidence of any kind. prove a negative is the best they have.

kind of like what we did to Iraq. and look where that has gotten this country.

no evidence, short of producing Jesus himself, and wittnesing him speaking to God will satisfy them. there is no point in arguing. if they choose to not believe, let them. but just as they are allowed to choose not to believe, they have no right to deny him to people who do believe without something to back up their position.

it is just another case of man creating God in his own immage. i belive this, therefore, anyone who doesnt believe as i do is wrong. i have justified this in my mind, so anyone else who cant is flawed. torturing prisoners anyone?

we all do it. even if we do not want to admit it. even our church leaders. for instance, you go to a church in a wealthy neibhorhood, where the pastor is driving a lexus, you will never hear the sermon where Jesus says "it would be easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than for a wealthy man to enter heaven"

creating perfection in our own immage. we all do it.

the differance between this person, and others, is he feels the need to force his God immage on every one around him. same with other people through out history, like Hittler for example. Marks, Hussin, Bin laudin, all of them trying to force their God immage, their personel sence of perfection on the world around them to help support their own sence of perfection.

it is why when your neibhor buys a new navigator, you have to get a hummer. he is not better than me. ill prove it to him. projecting our own sence of perfection, creating God in our own immage, to the world around us.

we all do it.

if he does not want to believe, let him. if he cant stand that otehr people do believe? well, thats what anti psycotic drugs are for. get over it. kind of like this country,s own sence of superiority in trying to inflict our type of society on the middle east. justifing it by thinking if we just get rid of their leaders, they will want to be like us, because we want to be like us, there fore, everyone must want to be like us.

lo and behold, the Iraqi people voted for an anti american government bent on a pro religious mandate.

creating God in our own immage. vanity. arrogance. he would fit in well in this country.

Prove that I exist.
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prove that you dont.

a childish argument. yet it is what we used to invade, occupy, and butcher tens of thousands of human beings.

I'll need airfare money to where your birth records are kept. Plus hotel bills, and I'm planning on ordering room service.