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#1 Jan 05 2006 at 10:26 AM Rating: Default
so says the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4582488.stm

interesting read. id still love to get my hands on the "closed" documents the US gov. has locked away that were supposed to be opend back in 2000
#2 Jan 05 2006 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
every one keeps skipping right over the fact he was trained as a sharpshooter by OUR military.

OUR government provided Russian weapons to the freedom fighters in afganistan to kick the ruskys out.

yet, this person having a russian weapon proves foreign involvement? personally, i think it only proves that mabe the russians are the only people we can safely rule out.
#3 Jan 05 2006 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Veteran US official Alexander Haig told the filmmaker that Kennedy's successor, Lyndon B Johnson, believed Cuba was to blame and feared a pronounced swing to the right if the truth were known that would keep the Democrats out of power for a long time.

Mr Haig - a US military adviser at the time and later a secretary of state - told the filmmakers Johnson said: "We must simply not allow the American people to believe Fidel Castro could have killed our president."

"He [Johnson] was convinced Castro killed Kennedy and he took it to his grave."



That's just pathetic if it's true. Let's not bother with justice, or letting the public know the truth, as long as his party doesn't lose power.

It'd be interesting to see that documentary.
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#4 Jan 05 2006 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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every one keeps skipping right over the fact he was trained as a sharpshooter by OUR military.


Who's everyone? I thought it was common knowledge that Oswald was an ex-marine. It's not like that fact was ever hidden.
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#5 Jan 05 2006 at 12:17 PM Rating: Default
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The moral majority.
#6 Jan 05 2006 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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Damn you Johnson, this would have meant war a nice little war with cuba and the soviets would had stood aside. That also meant we would not have wanted to get into Vietnam so quick as we would have just had a war.
I could have had easy acess to cuban cigars all these years!

Seriously though, the more I think about this, the more pissed off I get. This guy is still in power. I think we kick his *** finally.

Edited, Thu Jan 5 13:15:03 2006 by fhrugby
#7 Jan 05 2006 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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That's just pathetic if it's true. Let's not bother with justice, or letting the public know the truth, as long as his party doesn't lose power.

It'd be interesting to see that documentary.


that is what bothered me too, but did not really supprise me if it is true. typical of ALL polititians from any nation that has any form of elected officials.
#8 Jan 05 2006 at 2:12 PM Rating: Decent
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every one keeps skipping right over the fact he was trained as a sharpshooter by OUR military.

OUR government provided Russian weapons to the freedom fighters in afganistan to kick the ruskys out.

yet, this person having a russian weapon proves foreign involvement? personally, i think it only proves that mabe the russians are the only people we can safely rule out.


i guess you did not read the artical, you did not listen in history class, and you dont know jack that everyone else knows he was an ex-marine.

what that has to do with LHO shooting someone is like the price of peas in China has to do with the cost of oil in the US. nothing, you got NOTHING...


#9 Jan 05 2006 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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That's just pathetic if it's true. Let's not bother with justice, or letting the public know the truth, as long as his party doesn't lose power.

It'd be interesting to see that documentary.


You've got to consider the source though. While Johnson may very well have not wanted the public to know that Cuba was behind the assassination, the idea that it was because he didn't want the Democrats to lose power is entirely Haig's idea (a Republican).


Given that the Dems were pretty darn hawkish at the time, I don't think it was about losing power to the Republicans. I would suspect that (assuming this is true) it had a lot more to do with perception of power. The idea that the "most powerful man in the world" could be assassinated by a tiny nation like Cuba would have been a huge blow to the country. Better to have everyone believe that Oswald acted alone then that he was an agent of a foreign power.

I just think Haig's approach to the issue is backwards. The Dems would have *loved* to have a real excuse to invade Cuba. This would have given it to them. But it would have required that they admit that Cuba was able to kill Kennedy. I think that if any of this is true then *that* would be the primary motivator for keeping it quiet.
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#10 Jan 05 2006 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
I say BS. Everyone LOVES to be the wronged innocent. Americans especially. American politicians even more so.

If they had assertable information that Cuba was behind JFK's death, Castro would have been history in short order and Cuba would be a territory.

Perfect example: a certain dictator was known to want a US President killed. When this information came to light, another President who just happened to be the son of the first mentioned President invaded the country of the dictator and put his *** to hiding in a hole in the ground.
#11 Jan 05 2006 at 8:44 PM Rating: Good
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Perfect example: a certain dictator was known to want a US President killed. When this information came to light, another President who just happened to be the son of the first mentioned President invaded the country of the dictator and put his *** to hiding in a hole in the ground.



That's not a perfect example. The attempt to kill Bush Sr failed.


Had it succeeded, it's entirely possible that our government would have taken great pains to make sure that whoever did it was portrayed as a lone person/group rather then agents of any particular government. Because after all the rhetoric between Bush and Saddam during the gulf war, if Saddam was able to assassinate Bush? And keep his country? Not exactly the message you want...
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#12 Jan 05 2006 at 8:58 PM Rating: Good
It is a perfect example. If this is what happens when you can't manage to get the contract pulled off, do you really think the penalty for success would be lighter?

That's folly when dealing with the cowboy nation of the world.
#13 Jan 05 2006 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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It is a perfect example. If this is what happens when you can't manage to get the contract pulled off, do you really think the penalty for success would be lighter?

That's folly when dealing with the cowboy nation of the world.


Oh. The penalty would be greater. Because those in the know would make sure to nail him hard. We're not talking about that though. We're talking about what the "official story" would end out being. I happen to believe that in both cases, the political damage from admitting that the other nation could successfully assassinate a major US political figure is greater then the gains from having the public outrage that it occured in the first place. I suspect that most of the time, you'd rather downplay the connection to the other nation and handle any punishment secretly and behind the scenes.


This is pretty much just theoretical though. I can't say for sure, but it "feels right" in terms of reaction. I'm not saying that's what did happen, or what would have (in the case of Bush). Mainly, I'm making the point that this is a far more *likely* explanation of any alleged coverup of the Kennedy assassination then Haig's kinda weak "The Dems would have lost power if the truth had come out" argument. He's assuming political positions and atmosphere that didn't really exist at the time. Today, the Dems might cover something like that up because the Republicans are the more hawkish party. But back then? Absolutely not correct. The Dems pushed us into a conflict in Vietnam in the same time period for reasons that make any objections to Iraq look like irrelevancies. Guess what? There weren't any WMD in Vietnam either... Difference is that there *never* were, nor was there ever any sort of threat at all from them, nor was there anything about Vietnam other then vague political differences. I find it hard to believe that a party that would push such a conflict would have covered up the JFK assassination because it might have pushed them into another conflict with Cuba. Sorry. That just makes zero sense to me.
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#14 Jan 05 2006 at 9:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mainly, I'm making the point that this is a far more *likely* explanation of any alleged coverup of the Kennedy assassination then Haig's kinda weak "The Dems would have lost power if the truth had come out" argument. He's assuming political positions and atmosphere that didn't really exist at the time.


Haig may be or may have been lying, but he was fu[/i]cking THERE, so I doubt he's assuming sh[i]it. In particular there's no reason to assume he was incapable of assessing the political tenor of the times. Since, you know. Unlike you or I, he was there.
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#15 Jan 05 2006 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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#16 Jan 05 2006 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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Mainly, I'm making the point that this is a far more *likely* explanation of any alleged coverup of the Kennedy assassination then Haig's kinda weak "The Dems would have lost power if the truth had come out" argument. He's assuming political positions and atmosphere that didn't really exist at the time.


Haig may be or may have been lying, but he was fu[/i]cking THERE, so I doubt he's assuming sh[i]it. In particular there's no reason to assume he was incapable of assessing the political tenor of the times. Since, you know. Unlike you or I, he was there.


Hehe. And he has no political motivation to make these statements now?

I'm probably going to lose my secret Republican decoder ring for this, but let's be honest. He's using arguments and ideas that play incredibly well *today*. Coincidence? I think not. Given that one of the arguing points by Republicans (which I've used myself in fact) is that the Dems would rather bury their heads in the sand and ignore attacks against the US in favor of maintaining a "status quo" on the foreign policy front, it seems beyond coincidence that Haig ascribes political motivations to covering up Cuba's involvement in the JFK assassination that are identical to those being leveled at Dems right now.


Doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. Replace "Cubans assassinate JFK" with "Evil Arabs topple WTC towers" and then compare the reactions. If you can imply that the Dems covered up the Castro connection back in 1963, then it lends weight to the theory that the Dems would politically prefer not to take action in the Middle East against terrorism, not because of any altruistic motives, but because they are afraid of losing power. This translates directly to the idea that Dems are dragging their feet *today* on the whole "war on terror", again, not out of altruistic values, but because they see it as giving in to Republican politics and therefore losing power. It also provides greater weight to the theories that Clinton deliberately ignored the threat of Al-queda in the 90s because of the same reason. Adopting a stonger and more agressive foreign policy would "give power to the Republicans", so he'd rather cover up the threat then deal with it because dealing with it would cost his party power.


I don't happen to ascribe to the ideology that Dems are inherently more or less strong on foreign policy. That happens to be the case *today*, but there's nothing inherent to the political partys to say it must always be that way. However, if you can create the impression that it's that way and always has been, then it becomes much easier to present negative reasons for various actions. You saw the response to the suggestion Haig made in this very thread, right? Now. Apply that to "Clinton downplayed the threat of Al-queda because he didn't want the Democrat party to lose power". It's the exact same statement, made via the same assumptions.


It's a very clever bit of media manipulation. I'm non-partisan enough to point out when my own side does it, and this is *clearly* one of those times.
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