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#1 Dec 29 2005 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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Last night I recieved a phonecall from someone who would not tell me the companys name, stating that the state of Mass filed a complaint against my husband and he needed to call back immediatly. He wasnt home and by the way she was phrasing things it sounded dire. She refused to elaborate until she asked if I was his wife which I said I was. She then told me Cingular had sent a complaint for an unpaid bill of some ungodly amount and that as I was his wife I needed to pay it by credit card immediatly. I told her that as it was my husbands account I could not at the time, but I would pass on the message to him. She then told me that if I didnt pay it right then and there she would ruin my husbands credit and mine alongside. Alarm bells rang in my head. Im not on his account for the account they were talking about and as far as I know, that can not be done. I said I would not pay now but I would pass the message on. She hung up on me.

Flabbergasted, I called back, intending to talk to a higher up or CR. A man answered the phone, mumbled the companys name which I didnt get. I asked to talk to a higher up or CR. He asked why and I told him one of the employees had hung up on me after threatening me. He got nasty and told me then obviously I had a payment to make and would I take care of it now? I told him I didnt it was for my husband and I would let him deal with it, but that I wished to talk to a manager about the professionalism of one of his employees. The guy then told me it was a collection agency and I should go look it up in the dictionary, and that if I didnt pay immediatly he would personally ensure that my husband and my credit was ruined. I refused and he hung up on me.

I called back about 8 more times, to have them either hang up the moment they heard my voice or to let it ring. So, I called Cingular. I found out there was acollection agency on my husband but it was for a pitiful amount which I took care of immediatly.It was nowhere near the amount the other comapny was demanding. However, I asked for the name and number of the agency they used and the numbers didnt match up. Not a big deal, except Cingular could not match up the number I had recieved through caller ID with any they had for the agencies they used. And as I didnt get the name of the company claling me we couldnt figure out if they were one and the same.

This morning I called the number again pretending to make it a wrong number and got the name of the company. It was Morgan IC, not the company Cingualr had used. I called the agency that Cingular HAD used to see if they were anyway affiliated. They weren't and had never heard of Morgan before. So I called the BBB. I told them the story, and they definitely believe it is a scam. They ran the name of the agency and numbers and found nothing listed at all. But the bad thing is they cant do anything about it unless there is an address. That's quite the loophole for scammers, Im thinking. So now husband is off trying to call and get an address, seeing as they know my voice pretty damn well by now.

Anyways thanks to Smoggy, Bloodwolf, Nephs brother and Bhodis GF for listening to me rant on WOW while this was going on. Poor things had to listen to a shaking DSD froth at the mouth. Thanks Smoggy for the advice. Let's see if I can make it go anywhere

Edited, Thu Dec 29 14:01:10 2005 by DSD
#2 Dec 29 2005 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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Call the cops. If it's a scam, they're doing some illegal things and can be prosecuted for such. And Google MorganIC and see what comes up. I'd even report it to the State Attorney General.
#3 Dec 29 2005 at 2:06 PM Rating: Decent
Oh wow, how frustrating, but at least you didn't fall for it!

I wonder if it was just coincidence that this company happened to call someone who actually had an outstanding debt with Cingular or do they somehow have access to who has been turned over to a collection agency?

Cingular recently almost turned me over to a collection agency. Long story, be careful if you move and change your cell number, Cingular can't keep up with who you are and it is easy to miss paying bills.

I wonder if these same jerks would have been calling me about it. Something tells me yes.
#4 Dec 29 2005 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh wow, how frustrating, but at least you didn't fall for it!




I wonder how many morans did fall for this scam or a scam like it. There are a lot of stupid people out there. Asteroid Insurance anyone?

Edited, Thu Dec 29 14:11:28 2005 by fenderputy
#5 Dec 29 2005 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
Under the fair debt collection laws they are not supposed to threaten you or give false information (like telling you they can ruin your credit if you are not on the account) and they can be reported most likely to the FTC.

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I was always under the impression that unless the business was a member of the BBB there is not much BBB can do other than maybe make a file about them.

#6 Dec 29 2005 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Collection agencies will lie, cheat, bully, and basically attack with any underhanded technique they think can get them money. The important thing is you "DONT OWE THEM ANY MONEY" That's right, you have no obligation to pay the collection agency, your obligation is to the original creditor. You also "DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO THE COLLECTION AGENCY", by law they must provide you with their name and address within 15 seconds of you answering the phone. You then tell them to cease and desist contact and follow that up with a simple letter via certified mail return receipt requested stating:

"Dear <COLLECTION AGENCY>,

Do not make any attempt to contact me via any means regarding <THIS DEBT> which I contest. Under the FCRA you must desist any attempt to contact me other than to provide me with a summons.

Thank you,
<YOUR NAME>
<YOUR ADDRESS>
<YOUR PHONE NUMBER THAT YOU WANT THEM TO STOP CALLING>


The flip side of this is that the original creditor does not have to accept payments from you but must be provided the amount due in full, or any amount they agree to take in lieu of the full amount. You also run the risk of the collection agency calling your bluff and actually taking you to court as an agent of the original creditor, although for any amount under a few thousand dollars it's generally not worth their time. The original creditor will generally work with you as they sell the account to the credit collector for pennies on the dollar.
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#7 Dec 29 2005 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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People who try to scam people like this make me lose faith in society.


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And Google MorganIC and see what comes up.


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#8 Dec 29 2005 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Have problems with collections agencies in the past there, ehh _ythe_?
#9 Dec 29 2005 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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It might not hurt to call the local media. Our local news station has a hotline for consumer help, scams and such. Even if your local news station doesn't have something like this they may be interested in helping or at least publicizing your story so that more people can be made aware of it. The FCC and such may not be able to do much, but almost everyone watches TV and word of mouth can be a powerful thing.
#10 Dec 29 2005 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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now theres an interesting angle. But seeing as I've never done anything like that before I wouldnt even know where to start
#11 Dec 29 2005 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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People who try to scam people like this make me lose faith in society.



yeah, just people did that for me.
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#12 Dec 29 2005 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Lady DSD wrote:
now theres an interesting angle. But seeing as I've never done anything like that before I wouldnt even know where to start


Not sure if this was in reference to my suggestion but you could check to see if they have a website. They will probably have a link to submit stories or contact them.
#13 Dec 29 2005 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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in Baltimore, we used to "get Gelfman". A local news guy who was ruthless against stuff like this.


could always just scream into the wind »»» http://www.complaints.com/
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#14 Dec 29 2005 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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I decided to do a little surfing and I found that one of our news channels has something called "Help me Hank". Its a woman whom you can ask for help on businesses who are shady and she tries to get to the bottom of things for you. I whipped off an email to her with the situation. Whether or not anything comes of it from that angle I dont know. But I really do wish to get these a[b][/b]ssholes anyway I can
#15 Dec 29 2005 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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You could pay 5 bucks to reverse search the number you have called. I couldn't find a site that would do this for free. If it works you would have the address and names of those who reside there. From here you could ask any adolescent male to give you ideas about revenge! I’m sure you have some of your own though.
#16 Dec 29 2005 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Have problems with collections agencies in the past there, ehh _ythe_?


They make lawyers look angelic. They play on peoples fears. They know they wont collect money from people that don't care. The people they go after are the people that really want to make their debt right but they have poor money management skills. They try to frighten them into believing all kinds of horrible things will happen if they don't pay that very instant. What they don't disclose however is that the consumer has a very broad set of rights under the Fair Credit Reporting Act.
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#17 Dec 29 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I was going to suggest "Help Me Hank" but I see you've beat me to it. She's more than willing to go after scammers and help report them to the authorities. Hope she follows through with this.
#18 Dec 29 2005 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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If the return call was local in state, you can contact your state, city consumer protection agency. In Maryland it is under the States Attorney office.
If they were contacting you and making threats interstate then its a Federal Problem. Contact the local FBI office, though it may not be their direct area of responsiblity. FCC maybe?

If they call again have a recording made. Any threats like that in maryland can result in a nice law suit on your behalf.

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#19 Dec 29 2005 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
fenderputy the Shady wrote:
You could pay 5 bucks to reverse search the number you have called. I couldn't find a site that would do this for free.


http://www.anywho.com/rl.html

Doesn't usually find a match for the numbers I try, but worth a shot.
#20 Dec 29 2005 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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MSN white pages will give you a reverse look up for free and if it's a cell phone will tell you what cellular company the number is from.

Here is a link to the FTC Fair Debt Collection Consumer Facts page that list what your rights are and the numbers to report fraud, complaints, etc. are at the bottom (same site Spirish linked, different page). Good luck.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/credit/fdc.htm
#21 Dec 29 2005 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
Ya **** like this is why I don't rent from Blockbuster anymore. I had a collection agency calling and threatening me a few years back. They wanted like $75 (for $7 in overdue movies plus collection charges). I put them on hold and called Blockbuster on my other line and confirmed with the manager I had no late fees, but also found out that the collection agency had free access to their database and was trying to collect late fees I paid the month prior.

I got back on the phone with the collection agent and told them I had confirm with Blockbuster I had no late fees. The chick starts going of on how they will ruin my credit if I dont pay and I told her to stop calling me as I owed nothing. Then the Blockbuster manager (whom I had conferenced in) spoke up and confirmed I had no late fees.

I had to get a written confirmation that I owed no fees to send to the collection agency before they would stop calling.

The fact that they let this company have free access to my account info and the threatening manor was enough for me to drop Blockbuster all together.

Edit for typos--probably still missed some

Edited, Thu Dec 29 17:41:43 2005 by BloodwolfeX
#22 Dec 29 2005 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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Glad you got it staightened out!
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#23 Dec 29 2005 at 7:38 PM Rating: Decent
sorry to hear you were the target of a scam like that, had to deal with same thing not to long ago.

one thing i was able to do was have the phone company give me the address to match the phone number, you can also try to google for that number, but doubt you will find anything there for it.

a real dirty trick to do if it is an 800# or toll free number like 877 or 888 or one of those, is to post it and let a bunch of people call in to harash them for name of company, address, etc... by FEDERAL law they have to provide that information when asked.

you can also turn them into the FCC as they are in direct breach of FCC regulations with telemarketing and collections.

good luck either way.
#24 Dec 29 2005 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
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a real dirty trick to do if it is an 800# or toll free number like 877 or 888 or one of those, is to post it and let a bunch of people call in to harash them for name of company, address, etc... by FEDERAL law they have to provide that information when asked.


800 343-2633


Have fun
#25 Dec 29 2005 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
Lady DSD wrote:
Singdall wrote:


a real dirty trick to do if it is an 800# or toll free number like 877 or 888 or one of those, is to post it and let a bunch of people call in to harash them for name of company, address, etc... by FEDERAL law they have to provide that information when asked.


800 343-2633


Have fun


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remember to *67 before you call.


tried just now, but line is busy... ill try later after i finish some work.
#26 Dec 29 2005 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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My girlfriend was like

"I was online and a girl in the guild myoon something or another was talking about a thing like a scam or something that happened to somebody somewhere with something else"

I shrugged and just acted like I understood what she was saying. Reading this clears up quite a lot.
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