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#1 Dec 27 2005 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
Jamie Oliver is a celebrity Chef in the UK that has taken on the task of steering schools away from junk food, to natural and well cooked and balanced meals.

Here is a link to his website linky

This is a link to a series I have followed on his efforts
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I know in the US you are concerned about your children, of obesity and the culture of junk food. Schools are talking of removing fizzy drinks from vending machines and the like.

What has suprised me watching this TV programme with Jamie is how many people are fighting his obvious good common sense. The food we are serving our children, our very future, is sugary and fatty junk. I am shocked at how many children do not even know what vegetables are. Some children thought that chips (fries) were made from apples wth?? One parent did not even think that herbs were eatable "you cannot eat these, they are only leaves right?". It just saddens me.
What is more shocking are the parents reactions to Jamie trying to have children eat REAL food at school. Some would prefer their children to eat re-claimed turkey meat nuggets and potato twislers. And yet these same parents would pay 50 pounds a head to go to a "posh" restaurant to eat the very food that Jamie wishes to serve their children.
Since when did real food become a restaurant only tradition?

I am very interested in food. I was a "latch key kid" one left to fend for herself at home. My parents both worked. learnt to cook and fend for myself, studied cook books and watch many food programmes. It seems so many do not learn the art of cooking or handling food.

Are we losing the art of cooking in a single generation? To TV food platters? Are we making an seriously obese sugar and fat hungry generation?

I find myself not angry, as much as sad and depressed.

As normal, in the typical Jen way .. I ask you all, what do you think of this? Of Jamie Oliver and his campaign? How are attitudes in the US to food (especially in schools).

AND .....

Do you cook at home or eat TV dinners?
#2 Dec 27 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Seems Jamie gave up his title of "The Naked Chef" for his more recent endeavors???
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#3 Dec 27 2005 at 2:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Well his motivation appears to be honest and earnest. He married and settled down, has children. He sees what they are expected to eat at school.

He is just a parent, looking out for his and all our children. Nothing more admirable Smiley: smile I prefer that to any naked chef.
#4 Dec 27 2005 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Your topics always require essay like responses.

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#6 Dec 27 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I go both pre-packaged and cook. Though, even when I cook, it's often processed stuff.

The ladyfriend is a monster in the kitchen and shall be my dietary salvation should we ever tie the knot Smiley: laugh

As far as the schools go, I support any attempts to make their diets healthier. Unfortunately, and I'm not saying this is the only issue but it is a good part of it, most schools are running on a very tight budget and reconstituted chicken nuggets and fries are a hell of a lot cheaper than fresh chicken breast and vegetable medley.
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The ladyfriend is a monster in the kitchen and shall be my dietary salvation should we ever tie the knot Smiley: laugh



My lady friends cooks rather well also. It's one of the reasons I have been gaining weight.
#8 Dec 27 2005 at 3:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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One of my stints at volunteer work was in a center that teaches poor people how to live better within their limited means. Among other things, that included budgeting. Part of that was the concept of cooking and handling leftovers instead of eating fast food.

It was so frustrating. The resistance was just tremendous; a lot of the people we were working with resented the very idea of being expected to cook for themselves - like they didn't think anyone ELSE did, and they were being singled out. When I told them, pretty sharply, that I cook at home and have very little sympathy for anyone who refuses, it shut them up... temporarily. But they had no concept of how to grocery shop, how to cook vegetables, how to plan a meal, how to time everything to come out at the same time. The center really could have used an old-fashioned home economics course.
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Some children thought that chips (fries) were made from apples wth??

Someone's never had Apple chips I guess.


Obesity in America has more to do with lack of activity than what people are eating. Nutrition is still an important issue though.
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As far as the schools go, I support any attempts to make their diets healthier. Unfortunately, and I'm not saying this is the only issue but it is a good part of it, most schools are running on a very tight budget and reconstituted chicken nuggets and fries are a hell of a lot cheaper than fresh chicken breast and vegetable medley.

They don't need to serve up fresh stuff, but stop giving them options like fries and burgers so often; don't put out desserts every day either.

Costs can be kept on the same level if they simply reevaluated their menu. Give kids fries less often and rolls more often.

Edited, Tue Dec 27 15:12:49 2005 by Allegory
#10 Dec 27 2005 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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My high school sold fries as a side dish to whatever else they were having.

My lunches consisted of fries and Mtn. Dew, or pizza (from the joint across the street) and Mtn. Dew.

The reason this generation doesn't cook as much has to do with time. Back in our parents (and especially before) generation it was fairly common for just the father to work, so the mother was home preparing real meals for the children and husband to eat when they got home from school/work.

Now.. it's fairly common for both parents to work. And by the time both get home, who wants to cook a large meal?

When I get home from work, I have kids homework to help them with, I have other things I have to do, I don't have time to cook. Neither does the wee-wifey.

It's a sign of the times. Because of rising costs in all other areas, it forces both parents to work which then takes away from other aspects of life.

The problem isn't nutrition (BTW, I'm just as healthy as people that ate better then me in high school), it's in costs associated with other things that take away our time to do other and somewhat necessary things.
#11 Dec 27 2005 at 4:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, that's the thing. If you plan things right, it takes less time to cook and clean up than you think. The key is planning.

I do most of my grocery shopping on Saturday. That means I need to have some idea of what I'll be cooking for the week, and how much will be left over to use in secondary dishes.

I'm not even as organized as I could be. I have friends who do the week's cooking on Sunday, then just do fresh vegetables for the actual dinner.

It works out to be a hell of a lot cheaper than ordering out or picking up fast food, and you know what you're getting (in terms of sodium, fat, etc).
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#12 Dec 27 2005 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Cooking has fallen by the wayside. I usually cook about 5 days of the week. The other days will be the "leftover" day where all leftovers in the refrigerator are either eaten or thrown away. If the kids don't like it, they'll make peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches or maybe quesadillas. The other day is the day I take pity on them and it's pizza or TV dinners.

I enjoy cooking (after I've gotten all the chopping done). It's the clean up that I hate.
#13 Dec 27 2005 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Again, it's finding the time.

There's family activities on the weekends. Things we don't get a chance to do during the week.

And you really want to tell my wife that she'll be cooking all day on sunday? Be my guest... I'll send flowers to your funeral.


The modern family is not set up to do what we used to. I don't know anyone that has sit down dinners every day of the week. The large sunday dinners are a thing of the past.
#14REDACTED, Posted: Dec 27 2005 at 4:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) God bless my mother who awoke 5am every morning and while my brothers and I were out training she cooked breakfast. Back when I was in high we could leave campus to go home or to a restaurant so that was really in our hands. Then again in the evening our mother cooked dinner for the 5 of us after spending all day teaching 3rd graders. It's all a matter of sacrifice; if your parents choose to sacrifice for the sake of their children then chances are those habits will carry over into adulthood.
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JennockFV wrote:
Jamie Oliver is a celebrity Chef in the UK that has taken on the task of steering schools away from junk food, to natural and well cooked and balanced meals.?do you think of this? Of Jamie Oliver and his campaign? How are attitudes in the US to food (especially in schools).AND .....Do you cook at home or eat TV dinners?


I've always enjoyd the Naked Chef, he cooks very easy meals very quickly (I also love to watch Rachel Ray). Probably there's resistance to the kids eating differently at school because then they'll be clamoring at home for decent food too. Then what will clueless parents do? Attitudes toward food here are about the same I think. It's easier to fill a cart with frozen trays than to buy whole foods.

I've gone to my kid's school and seen what they eat. It's better than when I went but it ain't great. Most of the problem is the preparation.

We cook at home. Frozen dinners are rarely good but I do use frozen products like biscuits and taquitos. I also prefer frozen veggies to canned. I'm not sure why people think cooking at home is such a trial, I spend a maximum of 30-45 minutes in the kitchen working on meals for 5, three of which are children under age 10. The most time I ever spend is two hours to make something to go in the freezer like tamales, salsa, or mac&cheese.
#17 Dec 27 2005 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
Jamie's School Dinners is an amazing show.

I also like Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares. He doesn't hold any punches. Classic Television.
#18 Dec 27 2005 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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God bless my mother who awoke 5am every morning blah blah blah blah blah


Yeah, yeah, whatever. My parents worked, and at times my mom worked the evening shift, so my older brother and I learned to cook. Our other brother had no interest in cooking, so he did the dishes.

Daddy was pretty good at barbecuing, and he could make a mean grilled cheese sandwich, but that gets old fast. Learning to cook was a necessity, and it's stood us both in good stead.


Edited, Tue Dec 27 16:37:24 2005 by Samira
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They don't need to serve up fresh stuff, but stop giving them options like fries and burgers so often
There isn't a lot of difference between the burgers & fries and the other meals they serve. Pastas, salisbury steaks, pizza, turkey slices with gravy, etc. It's all heavy in sodium and sugar as both preservatives and a way to make low-grade bulk food taste good enough that the kids will eat it.

I worked the numbers before and I can actually feed myself and the kid for about the same daily price (if not cheaper) at McDonald's than to buy groceries. I posted about it once before but I'm too lazy to look it up now. Of course, I could always live entirely on those $1 discount Banquet meals. I'd live for about six months, but it'd be a cheap six months. I do like their chicken fried beef steak though.

In one of the New Orleans threads, I compared the cost of a meal of 85/15 ground beef, Hamburger Helper and soda to a modest meal of chicken, vegetables and milk. I think the cheap, high fat, high sodium diet was about 33% cheaper.

I certainly won't argue the importance of exercise and basic nutritional thinking but it doesn't take much math to see that cheap junk foods are cheaper than a "standard" diet. I'm sure if you could find a food vendor willing to sell a healthier alterative with less fat, salt and sugar for the same price as the hotdogs & pizza guy, the schools would be thrilled.
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Then again in the evening our mother cooked dinner for the 5 of us after spending all day teaching 3rd graders. It's all a matter of sacrifice; if your parents choose to sacrifice for the sake of their children then chances are those habits will carry over into adulthood.



Then again teachers get out of work earlier then the rest of us.

When my mom was a teacher, she was home to be able to cook the meals.

But that was back then too, nowadays, even the teachers I know, they don't get home until 6 or so.
#21 Dec 27 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Depends on where you live, too, I think. Produce is cheap in California because we don't have to ship it very far. It's much higher in, say, Hawaii.
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#22 Dec 27 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
It is insanely expensive to eat healthy.

Coincidence? I think not.


Edited, Tue Dec 27 16:47:49 2005 by Nohk
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I'd hate to see the coagulate of slack-jaws in which you were the intelligent one.
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Depends on where you live, too, I think. Produce is cheap in California because we don't have to ship it very far. It's much higher in, say, Hawaii.
I took a quick look and found the old hamburger/chicken comparison. I took the prices from Peapod online grocers back in Sept.

Pound of 80/20 ground beef, Box of Hamburger Helper, 12-Pack generic soda: $6.70

1.5lb Chicken Breast, 1lb Green Beans, Qt Milk, 1lb Potatoes: $15.20

I suppose you could flip the taters to the first meal if you wanted to give them something besides greasy pasta 'n meat but potatoes are so cheap it wouldn't really matter. I was just trying to make a nice Donna Reed style meal with a meat course and two veggies.

As I recall, 1.5lbs was the smallest chicken breast available. You could probably go cheaper if you bought a 20-pack of drumsticks and just broiled them to keep it healthy.

Edit: Just for ways of comparison, I stopped at McDonald's while running errands today. Quarter-Pounder meal (regular) + Cheeseburger Happy Meal = ~$8.00. More than Hamburger Helper, less than making chicken.

Edited, Tue Dec 27 17:00:34 2005 by Jophiel
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#26 Dec 27 2005 at 4:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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While Jamie Oilver is a fat-tongued southern shandy-drinking ****, his school meals campaign was awe-inspiring.

I rarely use packaged food, preferring fresh vegetables and low-fat recipes.

Sure, I like doing my fancy-***** stuff for special meals, but when I get in from work, the kids are hungry and so am I. I'm malso usually very tired, but I rarely take more than 20 minutes to prepare a family meal.

Cooking good healthy food is no substitute for a healthy lifestyle (exercise, enough rest etc.) but it doesn't take much effort or time.

I can cook a healthy fresh meal as cheaply as I can feed em pre-packed sh[i][/i]ite, and if I'm not prepared to spend an extra 5 minutes over cooking, then what kind of parent am I?

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