UK introducing "degrees of murder"Follow

It is causing a lot of debate!



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Discussions are happening over this.

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One thing I have noticed is a general hatred of any "degrees of Murder" as it become too much like your United States system. And as we all know, we hate to be like each other, we have to know best!

I am thinking this law would be a good thing. Right now, a woman beaten for 15 years by a bullying husband who murdered him in a snap action of complete anger will be put up for trial on the same charge as a person committing a pre-medidated murder. This is clearly wrong.
There are situations where a persons death, does not warrant their killers permanent imprisonment. There are factors to consider including the events leading up the killing, any intent and any planning involved etc etc.

I would not like to see too many categories, but I would like to see at least a seperation from premedidated murder, to reactionary and provoked murder (self defense etc).

Uh huh, thats is not so easy in some cultures. The Indian cultures and others in the UK from immigrant families who settled here in the last century.
Womens right are not always enforced and peer pressure can override legal law even in the UK.

We recently convicted a man who killed a female relative as an "honour killing". I forget the exact details but she supposedly *shamed* the family in some way either by marrying outside her culture or refusing to follow it in another way. This man thought it his right to murder her, to bring the family *honour*. What a mess!!!

I have experienced some discrimination by such cultures. I was talked down to by indian men recently, seems they expect women to be docile and subservient ..... not ME! ******* .. (oops, did I say that?)

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This mans dauther had rights, she chose to live by them. She was going to leave this repression and follow her heart. Her father decided she should have no such freedom and killed her.

Are you really telling me that this is her fault for not exercising her rights? If so ... please go have your head examined.

It's a funny troll too.

Hint: It's not you..

On topic.

Degrees of murder where atually in the system anyway but they where classified as Manslaughter.

In my opinion an extra layer is a good thing to allow Judges and prosecuters the flexibility to allow Justice to take place.

In the wife beating case it would still come under Manslaughter anyway with a plee of Diminished responciblity.

Another area that needs change has effected me and my wife recently and works as follows:-

If as an Adult you are placed in a home under the Adult protection scheme, neither you or your relatives have any legal right to visitation.

That means if the Home or social services for any reason decide that you should not visit said person, it doesn't matter a jot if both parties want to be together, so long as the social services say no it means no end of matter, no legal recourse.

It appears that sarcasm and Irony are also lost on you.

Other way round.....


On a serious note it's my wifes grandmother who they are trying to deny us visiting rights too, and we have done nothing at all.

The home is saying that our visits upset her, thats probably true since they have totally cut off any other contact she has with any other family members.

There is a legal battle conserning a "suspect diagnosis" that the rest of the imeadiate family are fighting and all of them have been told that they are not allowed to visit, but they haven't stopped us yet since we are staying remote from that.

But the home are begining to play nasty trick, false accusations, being offencive, ect in a similiar way to when my wifes mother was denied visits, to the point we now take a dictaphone with us on every visit.

So can you get a reduced sentence if the guy you kill is only mostly dead? What if he's slightly alive? Can you get parole if he gets better?