In regard to this so-called domestic spying...Follow

Sure thing, It's called the 4th amendment:

That's a yes. I mean for the government to do this to me, not you! LOL. All the government would get out of me is a chick with an unnatural obsession to FFXI who laughs about what was on Family Guy last night.

Again, I don't live in fear of this ever happening to me. Now, again, let's refer to the dude who buys mustard gas online and wants to go to flight school....I'd really like to have a Spy-Eye on him.

I've said it a thousand times. Bush and his associates destroyed our twin towers and bombed the Pentagon. Naturally they blamed, an oil rich, third world country that they've had there eye on. And since everybodies pissed and wants vengeance, they'll listen to whatever the media tells them.

Bush is a lier. He deliberately set up the chain of events that proceeded the attacks. After 9/11, i really don't care what he has to say. I really don't care what he's doing. And i really don't care what his, fake set up by the media for propaganda, approval rating is. All i care is when the murdering, drug using, lier is going to be out of office.

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Edited, Tue Dec 20 15:23:20 2005 by PackyMcStout

LOL because I fear you more than our government!!! /Poke

I respect the opinion you have, you have every right to have one, I'm just not on the same wagon. I feel a lot differently, but that shouldn't matter one way or another. I'm not a Bush Basher, doesn't mean I'm a fan, but I have a different perception. I won't split hairs and try to impose my feelings regarding politics upon you--we both are intelligent and feel deeply about very difficult issues that are hard to solve. Be a Freedom Fan of All Men or Safety At All Costs? The price is high whichever way you turn.

I'm not naive, not in the least. But what I boil my feelings down to is this:
1. I love my country and I never want another attack on our soil

2. I want deeper measurers being done on our homeland to locate and weed out person who have the power and the will to do us harm

3. I believe we don't need a court order to persue them. In my opinion, they have given up their rights as a citizen if they chose to break our laws and kill innocents.

4. I'm willing to allow myself to loose a few minor civil liberties if it means saving your life, your families life, and my own.

It's just my thoughts.

4. I'm willing to allow myself to loose a few minor civil liberties if it means saving your life, your families life, and my own.

How about if you're not safer at all in return, but you mistakenly think you are?

That good enough?

How about if you have to have a GPS chip implanted under your heel so you can be inditified and tracked at all times? you're not doing anything wrong, right, and it would make it much simpler to find who was doing what.

How about if the government rounds up all the Arabs and puts them in camps. I mean they're much more likely to planning evil right?

What if they have showers in the camps....

Why are people so easily terrified. Man, Emmerson was so right.

Forgive me for using the phrase "right to privacy" instead of the right to be free from "unreasonable search and seizures".

But my point still stands. The courts have ruled agianst wire tapping with out a warrant many times, using the Fourth Amendment as the basis for their ruling.

Without a warrant, you need the permission of at least one person taking part in the conversation.

But my point still stands. The courts have ruled agianst wire tapping with out a warrant many times, using the Fourth Amendment as the basis for their ruling.


Sure.

Your point though, was that the 4th amendment enumerated teh right to privacy, which it doesn't.

Again, not your fault, you're just google smart is all.

So if I buy enough Diazinon to fill a 55gal drum and apply to flight school, it's okay to monitor my emails, phone calls, etc? There's nothing innately illegal about buying Diazinon or applying to flight school. Why should my privacy suddenly become less valuable because of legal actions I've taken? Even if I'm not taken away by men in a black van, that doesn't mean they need to be listening in on conversations I have with my cousin in Austria.

Beccause 9-11 CHANGED EVERYTHING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!1111oneoneeleven!!!!!!!

I'd take a closer look if I where you. FISA uses a secret court to obtian warrants. I this case none were obtained.





**EDIT** Again I'll state that I support our President in the War on Terror and his actions in Iraq. But I feel that wire tapping American's with out a warrant should not be allowed. Just get the warrant, it is not that hard to do.


Edited, Tue Dec 20 17:43:16 2005 by Wertyone

I see that I'm dealing with some one who is not capable of a normal discussion like grown ups do.


A normal one with verbe like "having" included perhaps?



I guess I'm dealing with a kid who can't manage a simple discussion of ideas without taking out his training scissors and stabbing me with very dull blades. "Your opinions are different than mine! Stab! Stab! Lookie how smart I am!"

I have no problem with people having differing oppinions. I have problems with mindless ignorance.

Not my fault you meet that standard, it's yours. Now, you can do a couple of things. You could examine why you're such an ignorant simple minded fool who accepts blindly things a 4 year old would question, or alternately, you can refuse to continue to discuss it for me because it's too hard, you're hoplessly outwitted and you really have nothing to say other than "Well, I think this. I have no reason why, and I don't care what you think"

I'd imagine that's followed shortly by you covering your eyes and saying "lalalalala" at the top of your lungs.

Giving up civil liberties doesn't make you any safer from terrorist attack. Sorry. It might make you feel better if you're shockingly easily placated by obvious attempts to placate you. If so, bully for you. I've oftem figured life was a lot more fun the slow people who didn't know any better.

good luck.