I've switched over to smoke signal communique until further notice. This is just all to scary. Use my cell phone now?? Are you INSANE!? The governments all over me man...they're out to get me.
Hang on, I think someone's outside my office window...
Nope, all clear, I can type again. Wait...should I even send this post? What if THEY'RE LISTENING! JESUS I CAN---
Everything is fine, nothing is broken. Go about your business.
Ed. The government has corrected all spelling mistakes, or at the very least one spelling mistake. F off or we'll come for you too *****.
Edited, Tue Dec 20 12:26:43 2005 by xtremereign
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When do we get to start the investigation to find out which senator gave the information to a junior staffer to leak to the NY Times? WE DEMAND ANSWERS! It was retaliation, plame and simple.
Funny, in Condy's interview Sat on Meet the Press she never mentioned that spying on Americans was standard operating procedure.
She emphatically stated that we needed to do it now because there was this "seem" between foriegn and domestic intelligence.
She also could give no good reason for ignoring FISA and not getting court orders for phone tapping?
Personnally I could care less if the gov. wants to listen in on phone calls. What's bothering me is when called to the table on it, there are some claiming the democrats are trying to undermine the War on Terror.
That is the most devisive rhetoric I've heard yet.
She emphatically stated that we needed to do it now because there was this "seem" between foriegn and domestic intelligence.
She also could give no good reason for ignoring FISA and not getting court orders for phone tapping?
Personnally I could care less if the gov. wants to listen in on phone calls. What's bothering me is when called to the table on it, there are some claiming the democrats are trying to undermine the War on Terror.
That is the most devisive rhetoric I've heard yet.
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P.S. Who's the party of fear now ********
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
When do we get to start the investigation to find out which senator gave the information to a junior staffer to leak to the NY Times?
Cripes, it's not as if the Pubbies aren't the majority party in the Capitol building. If there's no investigation, there's no one to blame but themselves.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Thank you for proving my point, Jo. In the event of national emergency or distress various rights can (and will) be temporarily suspended, yet the sky is always falling, isn't it? In this particular case the president has a valid reason to be keeping watch over people with ties to terror cells, whereas other administrations did not have an immediate and obvious need to do so. Yet there is this hue and cry about the supposed illegal suspension of the Constitution, even when there is a long and well established precedent dating all the way back to Lincoln (and earlier if we just bother to look for examples) for the government to take steps to deal with an imminent threat.
Totem
Totem
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Totem wrote:
Thank you for proving my point, Jo.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Tot3m wrote:
Thank you for proving my point, Jo.
It's a shame you couldn't prove it on your own. You have to rely on others to do it for you like a single mother collecting a welfare check.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
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Fear NOW ********
That's the Pubbies -- OMG FemiNazi activists!!!
That's the Pubbies -- OMG FemiNazi activists!!!
hehe
Jophiel wrote:
I find it humorous that people who hate cell phone in theatres don't mind milk being sold in gas stations!
I hate that anything is sold in gas stations except gas and maybe a couple snack/beverage items, but most especially those stupid scratch card lottery tickets! People will stand right there and scratch 10 of them then buy more like it's still their turn to be served! grrr
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Americans are retarded
Who knew you could so blatantly exhibit genius in so few words. Or that I could be so obviously sarcastic.
That's because I am a black man with an institutionally given inferiority complex, Bod. As a welfare baby, I am incapable of fending for myself and must suckle at the Great White Teat of Middle America at the behest of superior minds such as Jo and you. Were it not for such luminaries such as yourself exhorting me to improve my self esteem, I'd still be sitting on my front porch, safely esconced in that sofa with the spring sticking our through the cushion. Instead, due to you and others like you, I spend a large part of my day robbing convenience stores and drinking malt liquor-- a far more energetic lifestyle, believe me!
I recognise that with the government's assistence-- but not his watchful gaze looking over my shoulder --I may yet someday become the productive father of 20-some illegitimate children, if only I apply myself.
I thank you for your concern and cognitive help.
Totem
I recognise that with the government's assistence-- but not his watchful gaze looking over my shoulder --I may yet someday become the productive father of 20-some illegitimate children, if only I apply myself.
I thank you for your concern and cognitive help.
Totem
The plight of rhetorical poverty is a pressing social issue that requires immediate hand outs. An issue Bush has been unwilling to handle in an effective manner. His blundering grip on the task at hand as well as his pulling out of funding has lead to the issue becoming a veritable deluge spilling over internet much like Lake Pontchartrain bursting over the levy.
The poor by stander is left only with an eyeful of verbal ejaculate and a sense of degradation of the English language.
For shame Bush, for shame!
The poor by stander is left only with an eyeful of verbal ejaculate and a sense of degradation of the English language.
For shame Bush, for shame!
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
This really should not be new knowledge. The Patriot Act gave the president power to authorize the government to listen in on electronic communication throughout the USA without a warrant, provided that any information gained could only be used in the pursuit of, or prosecution of, terrorist and money launderers.
You should not be surprised that he actually used that power. This has been alluded to in several anti terror and money laundering trials over the past couple of years where the complaints of no warrant for the evidence were overrulled due to these very Patriot Act Powers.
You should not be surprised that he actually used that power. This has been alluded to in several anti terror and money laundering trials over the past couple of years where the complaints of no warrant for the evidence were overrulled due to these very Patriot Act Powers.
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Are there dangers associated with this kind of governmental watchfulness? Obviously yes. However, is it more dangerous than the threat posed by enemies who have already demonstrated that they will go much further than political discussion and begin comandeering airplanes or producing WMD? I submit to you that that is a far greater threat to your personal freedoms and security than a program which has a large system of checks and balances in place to prevent abuses.
I think this is a beautiful point, and so I refer back to this OP, because this is what it's all boiled down to. Whether you dislike or like Bush, his platforms and his policies, or whoever or whatever is in control at this point, it all comes down to our safety, and I'd rather be sorry later than dead now.
Honestly fellas, they aren't infringing on your rights. No one cares you made a cell phone call, or who you happen to email or what books you buy. No one is watching you. You haven't given them a reason, they don't have the time and the man power to check out every single living breathing person who stands on US soil.
However! If you happen to buy a few hundred tons of mustard gas online and send in an application for flight school, well...you just may be watched! There you go.
Let's not let the potential bad guys know we're onto them. Once the government understands what they're dealing with and have undeniable proof, then they knab the bad guy. Surprise! Gotcha! Mr. Mustard Gas Plane Flyer Into Buildings is now taken out of the equation. Man, I feel better.
I wish we did this earlier with the 911 terrorists. We knew they went to flight school and they were potential threats. We did nothing. Everyone wants to turn back time and change that, and we can't. But, we can't afford to take chances like that anymore. That's just me.
Amiraphe wrote:
Honestly fellas, they aren't infringing on your rights. No one cares you made a cell phone call, or who you happen to email or what books you buy. No one is watching you.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
While I have usually supported this president in his pursuit of terrorists, I must completely disagree with spying on Americans.
If you are a citizen of the USA and you support these tactics, then you have forgotten one of the greatest freedoms that we have. Privacy
By tapping phone calls and e-mails of Americans with out a warrant the government has over stepped its bounds.
If there is sufficient evidence then it should be brought before a judge and a warrant should be signed. End of story! Only in the direst instances should wire tapping be allowed before a warrant is executed, and even then one should have to be sought within 24 hours of the tap being put in place.
Even in a time of war!
Now if you are not an American citizen and are in this country, then I feel all bets are off. You should be monitored and you should expect to be monitored.
If you are a citizen of the USA and you support these tactics, then you have forgotten one of the greatest freedoms that we have. Privacy
By tapping phone calls and e-mails of Americans with out a warrant the government has over stepped its bounds.
If there is sufficient evidence then it should be brought before a judge and a warrant should be signed. End of story! Only in the direst instances should wire tapping be allowed before a warrant is executed, and even then one should have to be sought within 24 hours of the tap being put in place.
Even in a time of war!
Now if you are not an American citizen and are in this country, then I feel all bets are off. You should be monitored and you should expect to be monitored.
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What does one have to do with the other? Would you give me permission to photocopy all of your mail and record all your phone calls so long as I probably won't read/listen to them?
I see the point you're trying to make, I really do, but I don't feel an extreme fear by this. If the government wanted to photocopy my letters and record my calls, fine, I have nothing to hide. But the reality is, is that they won't. They won't check me or you, unless of course your history (as an example only) has ran a pattern of an undesirable path....then perhaps they will. Is that my problem? No, but it may be yours or anyone else's who falls under the same category.
Amiraphe wrote:
I see the point you're trying to make, I really do
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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If you are a citizen of the USA and you support these tactics, then you have forgotten one of the greatest freedoms that we have. Privacy
Can you please quote for me the relevant passage in the Constitution that guarantees the right to privacy? I missed it in mine.
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They won't check me or you, unless of course your history (as an example only) has ran a pattern of an undesirable path....then perhaps they will.
Then they can take that patteren to a judge and get his/her signature.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Can you please quote for me the relevant passage in the Constitution that guarantees the right to privacy? I missed it in mine.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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If you are a citizen of the USA and you support these tactics, then you have forgotten one of the greatest freedoms that we have. Privacy
Can you please quote for me the relevant passage in the Constitution that guarantees the right to privacy? I missed it in mine.
You've got a constitution?
Dammit, I knew I shouldn't have called in sick that day!
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