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Hello Max, so what's your take on this whole thing? Oh what do I care anyway...you're a p*ssy.
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Hello Max, so what's your take on this whole thing? Oh what do I care anyway...you're a p*ssy.
/golfclap
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Who creates the watch lists?
And how people get on the watch list unless they're spied on?
By that logic, one could just beg the question and put any guy in a turban on a "watch list" to justify spying on him.
And how people get on the watch list unless they're spied on?
By that logic, one could just beg the question and put any guy in a turban on a "watch list" to justify spying on him.
OK first off, you're a ******. Secondly, I hope you explode. And thirdly, omgwtfbbq??? How do people get on watch lists unless they're spied on?
Jesus man, I dunno maybe intel coming out of Afghanistan and Iraq? Maybe all the computers and such that we've taken from those locations for starters? I'm not in the intel community or anything but that are just a couple guesses off the top of my head.
Oh...and quite possibly a man in the street pointing at people and then using a magic 8 ball. That might be effective actually...
Someone write the Pentagon!
Ed. for empathy's sake: OK I take back the ****** bit, and the part about hoping you explode...but I reserver the right to omgwtfbbq in your general direction. Seriously though, that almost melted my brain.
Edited, Mon Dec 19 14:44:39 2005 by xtremereign
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so I suppose it makes no difference to you whether or not members of Congress were involved?
Well, from waht I understand, the President is supposed to get permission from congress to do somthing like this.
From waht I understand, the BushHouse's only basis for this "spying" was the Congress had told them to use "Whatever force is neseccary".
Whether or not this is taken out of context or if Congress besically gave the President free reign to do wahtever he wants... I suppose that's waht this is all about.
Personally I think that they all suck each other's ******
achileez wrote:
Here's a scenario; Bin Laden calls his contact in America and intelligence learns that his contact is an american citizen. Should they have to go through the courts to obtain the warrant to wire tap his contact here?
All Bush is doing is making it easier to keep an eye on suspected islamo terrorist sympathizers and what's more be able to act in a timely fashion on any possible attacks they're preparing for.
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These Democrats are actively seeking to weaken our country against more terrorist attacks.
Achileez
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Jophed the real question you should be asking is whether or not the democrats are politicizing this issue to weaken the presidents agenda or whether they are acting in the best interest of the country.
well, I could give 2 fu[b][/b]cks less about the motives of the democrats or the republicans.
I personally feel that I am operating within the best interests of the citizens, the reputation, and the moral foundations of my country. It wouldn't matter to me waht party was in power. I call it as I see it. If I am wrong, then please correct me, but if I am right, God help us all.
Having Varruss on filter 4tw! 
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Having Varruss on filter 4tw!
The last few weeks, I've had it on Never Filter so I could more easily counteract the rate-ups he's been getting.
In this thread, he supports Japanese internment!
trickybeck wrote:
In this thread, he supports Japanese internment!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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unsubstantiated accusations about torture.
Aside from picking only waht suits your argument,
care to explain why you think that McCain had to step up to the plate and hold Bush's hand and had him sign an Anti-torture Bill?
'Cause he's a fake Republican. Limbaugh told me so.
Oh, and because the Liberal Conspiracy forced all the Pubbies in Congress to support McCain's measure. Gbaji taught me that one.
Oh, and because the Liberal Conspiracy forced all the Pubbies in Congress to support McCain's measure. Gbaji taught me that one.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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I personally feel that I am operating within the best interests of the citizens, the reputation, and the moral foundations of my country.
Either that or operating due to:
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I get a bad vibe from him. That's it. nothing more.
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I personaly feel that the reason that the Bush family started all of this was to make themselves and their friends even more Rich. Same old cliche' ? yes, but there is a reason that it is a cliche', and that would be that is reality, and it always happens.
Cliche, because there's no substantiation for it. Go ahead! Give me a reason to believe what you claim.
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NOW, there is a positive bi-product of the Bush family'r war-mongering pillaging...
Please tell me why it as a) war-mongering and b) Since when do we pillage?! I suppose next we'll be raping women and killing children as we burn houses to the ground and take the loot.
next verse, same as the first
1)Bush's war leaves openings for buisnesess owned by his cronies.
2)Bush goes to war.
3)Cronies make money.
did I miss anything?
1)Bush's war leaves openings for buisnesess owned by his cronies.
2)Bush goes to war.
3)Cronies make money.
did I miss anything?
See, I suppose that waht YOU are saying is that the whole "money making" thing is the actual bi-product of this great and noble war?
While I say that anything great and noble about it is the bi-product of the BushHouse agenda.
and yes, I take my vibes very seriously.
While I say that anything great and noble about it is the bi-product of the BushHouse agenda.
and yes, I take my vibes very seriously.
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1)Bush's war leaves openings for buisnesess owned by his cronies.
So anytime any President is in office that declares war that has friends in big business, the reason for the war is automatically because the big business friends benefit? It's called the Military-Industrial relationship, any war will benefit the economy (unless you lose).
You show bi-products but no reason to convince anyone that his is actually motivated by greed. To assume it is greed means you are either: a) automatically a cynic of anything or b)you do have an agenda, and your "vibes" motivate you to imagine up motivations to justify them.
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2)Bush goes to war.
Really?
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3)Cronies make money.
See #1.
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did I miss anything?
Yeah, some actual justification.
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See, I suppose that waht YOU are saying is that the whole "money making" thing is the actual bi-product of this great and noble war?
While I say that anything great and noble about it is the bi-product of the BushHouse agenda.
While I say that anything great and noble about it is the bi-product of the BushHouse agenda.
Yes, that is the difference. We both make assumptions. You assume his motivations are greed, I assume they are freeing a nation from an oppressive dictator who has killed roughly 300,000 of his own people, used biological warfare when that was illegal, and could have been quite a potent threat to national security during a later time.
EDIT: And was put into power by the United States itself. Saddam was our mess. We have an obligation to clean it up.
Edited, Mon Dec 19 16:51:14 2005 by Shopee
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So anytime any President is in office that declares war that has friends in big business, the reason for the war is automatically because the big business friends benefit?
No. Why do you think that? Is it because you are basing your opinion of me on a few meager forum posts?
Well I am basing my opinion and assumptions about the BushHouse on everything that I have seen over the past 5 or so years.
If I missed somthing or misunderstand somthing then I will gladly welcome the education. For the time being however I call it how I see it.
and if you recall early on in I already stated that it is all a matter of opinion. It is the difference in the matter of waht you think is "right" and how you think that the United States Of America and it's leaders should be able to use their Power.
Already I have seen more than enough to make me pinch my nose at the stench of the greed and denial emminating from this entire thing.
i am not seeking to discredit Bush for any personal satisfaction. Why would I give a ****? I call it as I think I see it. It wouldn't matter who or waht it was in the White House.
You say that I am missing justification for my thoughts on this matter. My justification is my opinion; as admittidly is yours for backing it up.
You believe in waht they are saying and I do not believe them.
My justification in not believing them is the controversy and the blatant blatantblatant disregard for any ideas other than those that suit their own agenda. I do not believe that we are given the correct information. I do not believe that we are being told the truth. I CAN not believe that all of this controversy is being pulled out of thin air by all of the people who are opposed to this administration.
Upon further study of the activities of this BushHouse I have come to believe that my opinions are indeed justified. Justified because of the dirty tactics that are used, justified because of the lack of regard shown to the United States Armed forces and the lives of those within, justified because of this President's hard-headed, hard-lined, uni-latteral stance on views, justified because of the fact the the HEAD of FEMA; one of the most important institutions in the country after 9/11, was grossly incompetant and underqualified and was put there by the President who swore to make this country safer, justified... well I could go on and on and on....
xtremereign wrote:
Okee dokee then...so I suppose it makes no difference to you whether or not members of Congress were involved?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Does it matter if they raised concerns at the time and were forbidden to speak to other members of Congress or even their staff about it? (PDF warning)
Yes it does matter, absolutely. Does it completely tip the scales over to conspiracy theory? No, but it does matter and quite frankly it's real good to see that people were raising concerns regarding a program of this nature.
However, and truly I hate to do this because I don't believe at all that this is a fake or political stunt, but just like the Alamo...
Remember Dan Rather!
Seriously, it matters to me Joph...way down deep in my heart of hearts...;)
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