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#1 Dec 14 2005 at 8:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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SAN FRANCISCO - Convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang co-founder whose case stirred a national debate about capital punishment versus the possibility of redemption, was executed Tuesday morning.

To his credit, Tookie had written several childrens books warning against the dangers of street gangs, but the Governator still denied his pleas for clemency. One of the questions that this raises is what, if anything, can a person sentenced to death do to prove that they have reformed?
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#2 Dec 14 2005 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
wow...um..demea...

that was days ago.

you've been away too long :) remember how fast news spreads around here?
#3 Dec 14 2005 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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Next he'll be starting a Christmas avatar contest.
#4 Dec 14 2005 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
I have no pity for murderers. The only REAL debate I see is why it took California so damn long?
#5 Dec 14 2005 at 8:37 PM Rating: Good
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One of the questions that this raises is what, if anything, can a person sentenced to death do to prove that they have reformed?


In his case, go back in time and not kill those people. No matter how much he reformed, or how many books and lectures he did de-glamorizing gangs, he still took away any chances his victims had and devastated their families.

#6 Dec 14 2005 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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wow...um..demea...

that was days ago.

you've been away too long :) remember how fast news spreads around here?

I barely even open any threads here anymore, much less read their titles. It's news to me, bi[i][/i]tch!
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#7 Dec 14 2005 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Demea, you should start an Asylum Awards thread!!!

I'll be sure and vote for your avatar as best.....something.
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#8 Dec 14 2005 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I have no pity for murderers. The only REAL debate I see is why it took California so damn long?


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California


That is why it took so long. Logic doesn't apply to the west coast.

If it was Texas, cut the time frame in half, Gov. says let him roast, and news coverage is all of 5 seconds.
#9 Dec 14 2005 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
Rimesume the Shady wrote:
I have no pity for murderers. The only REAL debate I see is why it took California so damn long?


Hey man, back off, we kill one a week via inadequate health care, so our death toll of actual prisoners killed via lethal injection is misleading. Lots more die in other ways. Like neglect.
#10 Dec 14 2005 at 10:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey man, back off, we kill one a week via inadequate health care, so our death toll of actual prisoners killed via lethal injection is misleading. Lots more die in other ways. Like neglect.
So Arnie did the guy a favor by not subjecting him to a long tortuous death in prison?......of course he'd already been imprisoned for twenty some years.

I suppose if you we had a system to bring to trial someone who claimed they were 'redeemed' there would have to be some standards developed. Our justice system doesn't work that way though. Besides, I seriously doubt if this guy would have been found to be 'saved'.

I don't for a second support the death penelty, but there really didn't seem to be any reason for giving him special treatment.

Writing cheesy childrens books about gangs just doesn't seem all that convincing to me.






Edited, Wed Dec 14 22:10:12 2005 by Elinda
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#12 Dec 14 2005 at 10:25 PM Rating: Decent
yossarian wrote:
Rimesume the Shady wrote:
I have no pity for murderers. The only REAL debate I see is why it took California so damn long?


Hey man, back off, we kill one a week via inadequate health care, so our death toll of actual prisoners killed via lethal injection is misleading. Lots more die in other ways. Like neglect.


Even once a week is too slow. I seriously don't see why people waste pity on murderers. If it were up to me a murderer would have a years worth of putting in appeals then after that gas them. Wasting money, pity, bandwidth, care, medicine, healthcare, food, water, air, a place to sleep, and a slot on the 5 o'clock news on these animals is watering a dead garden.

The second a person loses any reguard for life they lose their humanity and thenceforth should not be treated humanely. I don't care how many books a murderer writes, if the murderer becomes born again, if a murderer found a cure for cancer, if a murderer figured out how to end world hunger, or whatever other scheme murderers come up with in order to gain sympathy. No good deed a murderer does will make up for the loss and suffering that murderer has caused. That said, the only rest they should get is the peace of death.

Murderers often get the easy death compaired to their victims. A murderer doesn't render his victims unconscience, paralyzed, and numb before killing them like the state does in Capital Punishments. No the victim is usually very conscience and usually suffers great pain and torment. I miss the electric chair. The ONLY thing that is cruel and unusual is the suffering of said victims family members caused by these animals. That said, it's too bad we don't kill murderers the same way they killed their victims.
#13 Dec 14 2005 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Every time I heard about this on the radio last week (which was every 5 minutes) I kept thinking they were saying Stanley Tucci [sm]Williams[/i].
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#14 Dec 14 2005 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Every time I heard about this on the radio last week (which was every 5 minutes) I kept thinking they were saying Stanley Tucci [sm]Williams[/i].


Well, he is in Big Trouble
#15 Dec 15 2005 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
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Crips founder put to death.




He had beady eyes. You could tell he deserved to die. Beady eyes I tell you!


How do you get out of jury duty? Smiley: lol
#16 Dec 15 2005 at 6:31 AM Rating: Decent
Personally, I think he was used to make an example. Fu[/i]ck, people have gone in for worse crimes and gotten out much sooner because of supposed 'good behavior.' How much more good behavior do you need than writing children's books and being nominated for the goddamned Nobel Peace Prize? If that's not good behavior then you might as well be sucking monkey nuts.

I think it has more to do with the fact that he was the former leader/founder/whatever of the Crips than anything. In someone's delusional mind, by killing him, law enforcement is putting a stop on gang crime. I'm rather surprised wide spread riots haven't insued to be honest.

Honestly, dude coulda had his di[i]
ck sucked by the pope and his *** thrice blessed and he still woulda had no chance of getting out.

Edited, Thu Dec 15 06:34:12 2005 by PsychoJester
#17 Dec 15 2005 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Not a fan of the old hedonistic calculus eh, Rimesume?
#18 Dec 15 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
arnold did the right thing in not pardoning him. he butcherd a familey on the street in cold blood. killed people while robbong them.

i dont give a damn how many books he rights, or what he writs about, he does not deserve to live unless he can bring back the people he killed to life.

by by, good riddance.
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