Please! Save Saint Tookie! If not for yourselves, then for the children! Think of the children! All those poor, disenfranchised, oppressed Crips children all across Los Angeles and other major cities around the US need a positive influence on their benighted lives. C'mon, St. Tookie even wrote some books! How bad can he be, people?!? He's an honest-to-goodness author!
SAVE ST. TOOKIE! From one dusky hued brother to all of you rap lovin', Escalade drivin', gangsta clothes wearin' wannabes, contact Ahnold now to let him know you want clemency!
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This is not even mildly amusing when taken in the jest it was surely intended.
What are the odds on the impending riots my brotha Totem?
Are you gonna throw down, for Tookie?
Are you gonna throw down, for Tookie?
His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
This is not even mildly amusing when taken in the jest it was surely intended.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Stockton's gonna burn, baby, burn! Ol' Brer Tookie needs him some clemency and ol' Brer Totem's gonna loot some Korean grocery stores and light some cars on fire to show mah support!
Let the rioting commence! Even though St. Tookie supposedly espouses a non-violent lifestyle behind bars
Totem
Let the rioting commence! Even though St. Tookie supposedly espouses a non-violent lifestyle behind bars
Totem
Hey, Al Jolson made a living with blackface, so why can't I pretend a little? C'mon, Moeb, why are you so cranky today?
Totem
Totem
Did I miss the day he wasn't cranky?
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Tookie vs Schwarzenegger
Arm wrasslin for Clemency.
That would be awesome, televised of course and followed by that Sly Stallone movie where he is the arm wrestling trucker trying to keep custody of his son. Over the top.
Arm wrasslin for Clemency.
That would be awesome, televised of course and followed by that Sly Stallone movie where he is the arm wrestling trucker trying to keep custody of his son. Over the top.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Believe it or not, but he used to be this cheerful, sunny dispositioned individual who would go out of his way to bid you a good morning or help little old ladies across the street. But something terrible happened between dirty diaper #68 and projectile vomiting #117 and he just snapped.
Moeb hasn't been the same since, poor fellow.
Totem
Moeb hasn't been the same since, poor fellow.
Totem
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Fight dah power, Sammy, fight dah power!
/raises a clenched fist above his head
Totem
/raises a clenched fist above his head
Totem
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Hooper: BLACK RAGE! BLACK RAGE!! I’LL KILL ANY WHITE FOLKS I LAY MY MOTHER FU[b][/b]CKIN’ EYES ON!!!
C'mon, man, you can do better.
Where's Mr Jingles?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
IMO this was a bad move.
another reason for black youths to say fu[b][/b]ck the system and never even want to concider doing anything to turn their life around. Somthing to make them think "why bother".
must be my liberal agenda talking
another reason for black youths to say fu[b][/b]ck the system and never even want to concider doing anything to turn their life around. Somthing to make them think "why bother".
must be my liberal agenda talking
Killing him acconplishes very very little.
Although.
Keeping him alive could arguably accomplish less.
Where he's an admitted murder it's a lot harder to argue against killing him.
The real issue with the death penalty is the innocent people who are executed.
Although.
Keeping him alive could arguably accomplish less.
Where he's an admitted murder it's a lot harder to argue against killing him.
The real issue with the death penalty is the innocent people who are executed.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
I would have less problem with the death penalty in general if executions weren't so publicized.
I became against the death penalty during the McVeigh excecution.
Not because of any feeling toward the criminal, but because of the mental violence and hatred that it brought to the surface of the general public. It makes me kinda nervous to be around people who are shouting for blood and reveling over the death of a person.
Same thing.. a few years ago there was a highly public hostage situation.... the cops ended up rushing in and plugging the guy into swiss cheese... While this was happening I was more ugliness in people than normal.... people yelling for a mans death simply for the sake of knowing that somone dies and getting some sort of sick satisfaction out of it.
can't be healthy. It's medieval public beheadings in the townsquare all over again.
I became against the death penalty during the McVeigh excecution.
Not because of any feeling toward the criminal, but because of the mental violence and hatred that it brought to the surface of the general public. It makes me kinda nervous to be around people who are shouting for blood and reveling over the death of a person.
Same thing.. a few years ago there was a highly public hostage situation.... the cops ended up rushing in and plugging the guy into swiss cheese... While this was happening I was more ugliness in people than normal.... people yelling for a mans death simply for the sake of knowing that somone dies and getting some sort of sick satisfaction out of it.
can't be healthy. It's medieval public beheadings in the townsquare all over again.
For any who are interested Tookie's web page.
I have mixed feelings about the execution. The discovery motion is interesting to read.
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The Apology
Twenty-five years ago when I created the Crips youth gang with Raymond Lee Washington in South Central Los Angeles, I never imagined Crips membership would one day spread throughout California, would spread to much of the rest of the nation and to cities in South Africa, where Crips copycat gangs have formed. I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially young black men who have hurt other young black men.
Raymond was murdered in 1979. But if he were here, I believe he would be as troubled as I am by the Crips legacy.
So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret that I ever did.
As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series. My goal is to reach as many young minds as possible to warn you about the perils of a gang lifestyle.
I am no longer "dys-educated" (disease educated). I am no longer part of the problem. Thanks to the Almighty, I am no longer sleepwalking through life.
I pray that one day my apology will be accepted. I also pray that your suffering, caused by gang violence, will soon come to an end as more gang members wake up and stop hurting themselves and others.
I vow to spend the rest of my life working toward solutions.
Amani (Peace),
Stanley "Tookie" Williams, Surviving Crips Co-Founder,
April 13, 1997
Twenty-five years ago when I created the Crips youth gang with Raymond Lee Washington in South Central Los Angeles, I never imagined Crips membership would one day spread throughout California, would spread to much of the rest of the nation and to cities in South Africa, where Crips copycat gangs have formed. I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially young black men who have hurt other young black men.
Raymond was murdered in 1979. But if he were here, I believe he would be as troubled as I am by the Crips legacy.
So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret that I ever did.
As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series. My goal is to reach as many young minds as possible to warn you about the perils of a gang lifestyle.
I am no longer "dys-educated" (disease educated). I am no longer part of the problem. Thanks to the Almighty, I am no longer sleepwalking through life.
I pray that one day my apology will be accepted. I also pray that your suffering, caused by gang violence, will soon come to an end as more gang members wake up and stop hurting themselves and others.
I vow to spend the rest of my life working toward solutions.
Amani (Peace),
Stanley "Tookie" Williams, Surviving Crips Co-Founder,
April 13, 1997
I have mixed feelings about the execution. The discovery motion is interesting to read.
Extremely Biased Friend of Tookie's wrote:
We will not forget what they did to Stanley Tookie Williams.
Note: Yes you will.
I can't seem to load that link, and I am curious why a motion for discovery would be an interesting read, heh.
I found it interesting because they were requesting access to evidence:
1) Firearm tests--basically they questioned the method used in comparing the shell from the crime scene and William's shotgun.
2) They wanted notes from one of the investigation officers, who allegedly lied about another suspect’s alibi
3) Review of witnesses. Apparently most of the testimony against him was from “snitches†who they claim were of questionable veracity.
Among other things. It was and 88 page document. It interesting in that this is the sort of stuff that should have been appealed promply after the sentencing not days before the execution.
Probably can’t access it now (I can’t either) because either they are getting too many hits on the website or they took it down, since Williams was executed at 12:35AM.
1) Firearm tests--basically they questioned the method used in comparing the shell from the crime scene and William's shotgun.
2) They wanted notes from one of the investigation officers, who allegedly lied about another suspect’s alibi
3) Review of witnesses. Apparently most of the testimony against him was from “snitches†who they claim were of questionable veracity.
Among other things. It was and 88 page document. It interesting in that this is the sort of stuff that should have been appealed promply after the sentencing not days before the execution.
Probably can’t access it now (I can’t either) because either they are getting too many hits on the website or they took it down, since Williams was executed at 12:35AM.
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Among other things. It was and 88 page document. It interesting in that this is the sort of stuff that should have been appealed promply after the sentencing not days before the execution.
Probably can’t access it now (I can’t either) because either they are getting too many hits on the website or they took it down, since Williams was executed at 12:35AM.
Probably can’t access it now (I can’t either) because either they are getting too many hits on the website or they took it down, since Williams was executed at 12:35AM.
Williams was in prison for twenty four years. He was imprisoned before many of the gamers that frequent this board were even concieved. I can't remember if he filed his first motions with the courts after ten years or fourteen years in jail, but either way, it's difficult to say that sufficient care was not taken.
This isn't a fairy tale world; Magic Evidence doesn't stay dormant for two decades, then suddenly resurface in the days prior to an execution. The courts spent sufficient time on this case to ensure that due process was served. They have adequately defended the civil and legal rights of the subject in question.
Hm. An actual discussion of the issue. And here I skipped the bulk of this thread because I thought it was just another excuse for T0tem to play Uncle Remus.
Actually, Smash, St. Tookie did not admit his guilt. Which is precisely why he took a hot shot from the State's pharmacopia. Had he been willing to admit what he did was wrong and apologise to those families he hurt, clemency likely would have been granted. But as it is, to allow him to live with no signs of contrition, it would only serve to demonstrate that celebrity and political pressure can sway the scales of justice.
Mind you, this has nothing to do with the death penalty, per se, but is an issue of a man not bending his wrongful stubborn pride at the cost of his own life.
Totem
Mind you, this has nothing to do with the death penalty, per se, but is an issue of a man not bending his wrongful stubborn pride at the cost of his own life.
Totem
Authorities began the process to administer the lethal injection at 12:01 a.m. (3:01 a.m. ET) in the execution chamber at San Quentin. His death was announced 34 minutes later.
"He did seem frustrated that it didn't go as quickly as he thought it might," said San Quentin State Prison Warden Steven Ornoski.
Yeah, well, if taking a while with the needle was the worst thing that happened to him that night...
"He did seem frustrated that it didn't go as quickly as he thought it might," said San Quentin State Prison Warden Steven Ornoski.
Yeah, well, if taking a while with the needle was the worst thing that happened to him that night...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I hope you now see, 'Flea, the error of your ways wherein you avoid my threads due to preconceived notions about my ethnic heritage. The topics I bring to light are edifying to everyone, even people who are bigoted towards Walt Disney's Song of the South like yourself.
You are forgiven. Again.
Totem
You are forgiven. Again.
Totem
Totem wrote:
You are forgiven, because you have boobs.
FTFY
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