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#1 Dec 12 2005 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
Transcript of Speach

Bush had a speach today and while he did fumble and ramble a bit, he did pretty well.

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"No nation in history has made the transition to a free society without facing challenges, setbacks and false starts"

"By helping Iraqis to build a democracy, we will win over those who doubted they had a place in a new Iraq and undermine the terrorists and Saddamists"

"The Iraqi people are stepping forward to claim their victory, and they will have it,"

In two and a half years, the Iraqi people have made amazing progress," the president said. "They've gone from living under the boot of a brutal tyrant to liberation, to free elections, to a democratic constitution."

Bush conceded reconstruction "has not always gone as well as we had hoped," but he vowed the United States would not abandon Iraq until "complete victory" is accomplished.



Now, the coolest thing about this speech was what came after; He opened it up to questions. And not just to questions from supporters, but questions by people who actually disagread with him. One of which was, and I'm paraphrasing,

"Why do use 9/11 as justification for the war in Iraq?".
His answer was along the lines of, and again I'm paraphrasing "Because my worldview changed after 9/11 and I decided that it was in our best interest to stop threats to america. And saddam was a threat"

He also stated, following one of the questions, that knowing what he knows now [WMD's] he'd attack Iraq again. For the world is a safer place without Saddam in power.

And he handled all questions, which appeared unscripted, very well.

Kudo's Mr. Bush. For speaking much better than usual and answering questions from people who actually disagrea with you. It's not something you do enough and you handled it well.

While I oppose Mr. Bush on a lot of issues, I was pleasently surprised. I hope he does these unscripted Q & A's more in the future. Cause he can't forget that about half of the country disagreas with him as well.

It should also be noted, that Murtha is having a press conferance this afternoon. Where, most likely, he's going to say that the US is doing more harm than good.

I doubt it'll go over well after Bush's speach.
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#2 Dec 12 2005 at 12:54 PM Rating: Decent
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"Because my worldview changed after 9/11 and I decided that it was in our best interest to stop threats to america. And saddam was a threat"




That's his good answer?
#3 Dec 12 2005 at 12:55 PM Rating: Good
Its tough to take my personal leanings out of any thoughts on the speach, but I did listen to it on NPR this morning and I was really impressed by the comparisons to early U.S. growth pains...
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From the perspective of more than two centuries the success of America's democratic experiment seems almost inevitable. At the time, however, that success didn't seem so obvious or assured.

The eight years from the end of the Revolutionary War to the election of a constitutional government were a time of disorder and upheaval.

There were uprisings, with mobs attacking courthouses and government buildings. There was a planned military coup that was defused only by the personal intervention of George Washington.

In 1783, Congress was chased from this city by angry veterans demanding back pay, and they stayed on the run for six months.

There were tensions between the mercantile North and the agricultural South that threatened to break apart our young republic.

And there were British loyalists who were opposed to independence and had to be reconciled with America's new democracy.

Our founders faced many difficult challenges, they made mistakes, they learned from their experiences and they adjusted their approach.

Our nation's first effort at a governing charter, the Articles of Confederation, failed. It took years of debate and compromise before we ratified our Constitution and inaugurated our first president.

It took a four-year civil war and a century of struggle after that before the promise of our Declaration was extended to all Americans.

It is important to keep this history in mind as we look at the progress of freedom and democracy in Iraq.

#4 Dec 12 2005 at 1:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've yet to read the transcript and probaby won't until I get home. Based off the news stories though it sounds interesting and remarkably candid in parts.

Personally, I'd prefer to see more Democrats supporting the reconstruction effort. Unfortunately, "Democratic Party" = "AntiBush Party" so you have a tremendous reluctance to admit when anything may be going well or imply support. I've plenty of criticism for the other half as well so don't worry. I'll probably bable on later when I have more time.
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#5 Dec 12 2005 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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George W Bush wrote:
No nation in history has made the transition to a free society without facing challenges, setbacks and false starts


Oscar Wilde wrote:
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without the usual phase of civilization in between


In fairness, whoever wrote that speech for Dubya earned their money.

And while I disagree with his BS about Saddam posing a threat outside of Iraq and its immediate neighboUrs, this does seem to be a more confident and articulate man than I've seen before.

Anyone can read out a well-crafted speech, but it takes understanding and guts to open the floor to real questions.
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#6 Dec 12 2005 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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He speaks weller than anyone I know.
#7 Dec 12 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
TV is gooder than reading.
#8 Dec 12 2005 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Shut up b[b][/b]itch. Not funny.
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
He speaks weller than anyone I know.


Lol!

I'll have to read the transcript after I get finished with my usual monday morning series of meetings (gah! Mondays suck!).

It's good to see the President not coming off like a badly trained orangatang for once. It's also *really* good that the white house has finally figured out that they need to generate a constant message about what exactly is going on in Iraq and why rather then allow random rummors and allegations from their opposition do it for them.
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#10 Dec 12 2005 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
It's good to see the President not coming off like a badly trained orangatang for once. It's also *really* good that the white house has finally figured out that they need to generate a constant message about what exactly is going on in Iraq and why rather then allow random rummors and allegations from their opposition do it for them.
Don't you dare make me agree with you, *****!
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Three Random Thoughts:

  • Stop calling what's going on in Iraq a "war" and call it what it is: a reconstruction effort. Bush's speech refers to the chaotic period after the Revolutionary War. The American Civil War ended with Lee's surrender at Appomattox, not after the Reconstruction. The European theatre in WWII ended with the fall of Berlin. Yet, after Baghdad fell, Saddam fled and was eventually captured and the Iraqi army shattered and a new government put into place, we're still told to support the "war". Now, I'll assign blame on both ends for this. Bush got a bushelbasket of flack when he made his famous "Mission Accomplished" photo-op and troops kept dying at a fair clip. As long as men keep dying, I doubt anyone wants to say "The war's over!" again. On the other side, "war" is a much stronger call to jingoism than "reconstruction effort". Support the war! We can't win the war if we cut and run! You can't win a war on a timetable! But, by any previous standard, the war was won long ago.

  • Democrats need to support the reconstruction effort. I'm not talking blind obedience but a real stance of "Whatever the reason why we wound up there, we need to see it through and do it well." They need to make it clear that those who advocate an immediate and total withdrawl are on the fringe. And they need to be able to acknowledge the successes in Iraq and even draw attention to them without trying to snipe at Bush in the process. It's entirely possible for people to dislike the Right for numerous other reasons than the war and for the Democrats to present a somewhat unified front regarding Iraq while still disagreeing about all the other social and economic issues in the country. If anything, it would probably help them gain support since a vote for Pro-Choice wouldn't be presented as a vote against Iraq.

  • Republicans need to open up the wagons and accept criticism without polarizing it into an "Us & Them" issue. Prisoner abuse is a valid concern, mentioning it does not make one a hippy peacenik. Gradual troop withdrawl is not a "cut and run" tactic. Questioning choices by the administration does not mean you want the troops to die, the effort to fail and hope someone splices Hitler's DNA with Saddam's and inserts them into a shark fetus. It's difficult to voice support for the war & reconstruction when the the current supports sound like a bunch of blindly defensive jingoistic cowboys. God knows I wouldn't want to be associated with them, hence my desire to see #2 occur.
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    #12 Dec 12 2005 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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    Prisoner abuse is a valid concern, mentioning it does not make one a hippy peacenik.
    But I can still call myself a hippy peacenik, right?
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    #13 Dec 12 2005 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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    I'm just getting up for air after long weekend in Philly at SF Convention, so hadn't heard the speach or seen a newspaper today.

    I agree with Joph 100%. We need to change the way we talk about the events in Iraq and find common ground we can work with if we are going to ever get the Iraqis settle down enough to govern themselves.

    I found interesting an article on a related speach by Hillary Clinton in KY over the weekend. Seems she tends to agree with Bush when it comes to our duty to finish what we started in Iraq and defends her vote for the war, though the left wing base that you would think support her doesn't.

    The writer went on today and compare her stance to the candidates that ran for Democrate nomination in the 1968 elections. I'm sure the Right wing Nuts cases here can still find her at fault no matter what she saids. Or claim she is just lying so to pick up votes and they know she will display her commie views after being elected.
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    #14 Dec 12 2005 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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    He speaks weller than anyone I know.


    Yup, much gooder than he used to did.
    #15 Dec 12 2005 at 6:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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    On the other side, "war" is a much stronger call to jingoism than "reconstruction effort".

    Why did you have to bring the Jinjo into this? Smiley: frown
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