Ever wonder why you can here your thoughts? Not only can you hear them, but they sound like your voice too. One can say you don't actually "hear" your thoughts, but i would have to disagree. Pieces to the puzzle? Your mind trying to put everything together? Maybe. But what if there's more to it. Why does it seem like we can communicate without talking? Body language is not credible in every situation. But yet most people ignore this fact.
Have you ever been sitting at a 4-way stop sign, and told someone else to "go ahead" without using any body languge, but by merely saying it to yourself in your head?
Growing up i constantly wondered what seperates the fine line between thoughts and speech. Are these borders arbitrary enough to be crossed? Can we talk without speaking? Can we listen without hearing?
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I've always read Driftwood as the straight man in varus' double act. It helps if you read all of his posts in the voice of Droopy Dog.
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Have you ever been sitting at a 4-way stop sign, and told someone else to "go ahead" without using any body languge, but by merely saying it to yourself in your head?
Of course I have. I've also willed street lights to turn off, traffic lights to change, and the sun to rise.
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Have you ever been sitting at a 4-way stop sign, and told someone else to "go ahead" without using any body languge, but by merely saying it to yourself in your head?
Of course I have. I've also willed street lights to turn off, traffic lights to change, and the sun to rise.
Pfft, that's nothing. I've willed my car to run out of gas. Now that's some hardcore ESP.
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I've also willed street lights to turn off
Actually, i've heard of this...
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I've willed the sun to rise.
Wow, you've got to teach me that one.
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Pfft, that's nothing. I've willed my car to run out of gas. Now that's some hardcore ESP.
You think that kewl? Once, i time traveled. It started with me on top of this steep hill in a little red wagon. I booked *** down the hill tring to gain enough speed enter the future. Well i was successful, cause when i got to the bottom of the hill, i was 13 seconds into the future.
Not only once but thrice, I was at the hospital with my wife. Each time I declared, "Let there be light!". Without fail, each time from my wife popped out a "son".
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Gladestrider wrote:
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Have you ever been sitting at a 4-way stop sign, and told someone else to "go ahead" without using any body languge, but by merely saying it to yourself in your head?
Of course I have. I've also willed street lights to turn off, traffic lights to change, and the sun to rise.
Pfft, that's nothing. I've willed my car to run out of gas. Now that's some hardcore ESP.
MWAHAHAHA FOOOLS! I CAN WILL PANTS OFF OF WOMEN!
fenderputy the Shady wrote:
MWAHAHAHA FOOOLS! I CAN WILL PANTS OFF OF WOMEN! IF I PAY THEM!!
Fixed.
Elderon the Wise wrote:
fenderputy the Shady wrote:
MWAHAHAHA FOOOLS! I CAN WILL PANTS OFF OF WOMEN! IF I PAY THEM!!
Fixed.
Every magician has his tricks ruined by someone.
There is thought which sounds like me talking. However, truly new ideas spring into my brain unannounced, and certainly not in my voice. Often I want to do tasks which are analogus to showing that A=C and I'm trying to find some intermediate which can be shown to be both A and C. Typically when I am relaxed and perhaps contiously thinking about something totally different it simply occurs to be that A=D=Q=C, as if I had heard it long ago, forgotten it, and was simply recalling it. (On many occasions it is possible that I did hear it long ago, but there are cases where I am certain I have not; that it is essentially a novel though.)
The idea that realizing something totally new is like recalling it is not original to me. In fact it can be traced to Socrates.
Now for Packy's question.
Of course the answer is that most people do not hear the thoughts of other people, and that any tiny correlation found by psychologists with cards with various symbols on them (think Ghostbusters) is likely transmitted by body language, not ESP.
However, physically it could happen. Either the "thought" itself (or the result of the thought...) is an electrical current shooting through the brain. It begins and ends, and during the thought many thousands of neurons fire. Since the electrical changes over time, it creates an electromagnetic (EM) wave (e.g. a kind of light) like an antenna does, and this wave can travel over distance. However it would be very low energy, and by the time it reached another person, it would be even lower. Yet not much energy is actually needed to change the odds of a neuron firing.
I say "change the odds" since at it's heart, the firing or not firing of the neuron is a quantum mechanical event and thus is not totally deterministic; one cannot say anything in particular caused it. Only that the sum of all external effects (electric fields, EM waves, everything) summed together to give the event a particular probability of occuring.
However I see absolutly no reason the thought which created the EM wave (which caused the second person's neurons to fire) should actually reproduce the original thought in the second person's brain.
I'm no expert, but my leading concern is this: memory is stored in the connections between neurons. It can be stored very differently in different people. If a section of brain is damaged, that damage can be routed around and different areas will fill in. Even if I could actually make someone else's neurons fire just the way mine do when I think of, say, the playing card the ten of hearts, why on Earth would that map to exactly the same thing for them? Or anything at all for them?
Base emotions, however, and things deeply built in may all be stored in similar ways since they may be constructed instintivly while we're in the womb: an environment so similar for us all. But we're very good at picking up emotional clues from speach or body language. Even if this is happening all the time, it simply isn't very impressive; perhaps it could be used to detect lies?
In the car example, perhaps "GO" and "STOP" are such base emotional things: (e.g. you go ahead, versus I'm going get out of my way) that my concern is unfounded.
Let me end with something concrete: there is an effect of various EM waves on the brain. This is sometimes called the Microwave Auditory Effect or the Frey Effect. It ain't mind control, or ESP, but here's a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect
The idea that realizing something totally new is like recalling it is not original to me. In fact it can be traced to Socrates.
Now for Packy's question.
Of course the answer is that most people do not hear the thoughts of other people, and that any tiny correlation found by psychologists with cards with various symbols on them (think Ghostbusters) is likely transmitted by body language, not ESP.
However, physically it could happen. Either the "thought" itself (or the result of the thought...) is an electrical current shooting through the brain. It begins and ends, and during the thought many thousands of neurons fire. Since the electrical changes over time, it creates an electromagnetic (EM) wave (e.g. a kind of light) like an antenna does, and this wave can travel over distance. However it would be very low energy, and by the time it reached another person, it would be even lower. Yet not much energy is actually needed to change the odds of a neuron firing.
I say "change the odds" since at it's heart, the firing or not firing of the neuron is a quantum mechanical event and thus is not totally deterministic; one cannot say anything in particular caused it. Only that the sum of all external effects (electric fields, EM waves, everything) summed together to give the event a particular probability of occuring.
However I see absolutly no reason the thought which created the EM wave (which caused the second person's neurons to fire) should actually reproduce the original thought in the second person's brain.
I'm no expert, but my leading concern is this: memory is stored in the connections between neurons. It can be stored very differently in different people. If a section of brain is damaged, that damage can be routed around and different areas will fill in. Even if I could actually make someone else's neurons fire just the way mine do when I think of, say, the playing card the ten of hearts, why on Earth would that map to exactly the same thing for them? Or anything at all for them?
Base emotions, however, and things deeply built in may all be stored in similar ways since they may be constructed instintivly while we're in the womb: an environment so similar for us all. But we're very good at picking up emotional clues from speach or body language. Even if this is happening all the time, it simply isn't very impressive; perhaps it could be used to detect lies?
In the car example, perhaps "GO" and "STOP" are such base emotional things: (e.g. you go ahead, versus I'm going get out of my way) that my concern is unfounded.
Let me end with something concrete: there is an effect of various EM waves on the brain. This is sometimes called the Microwave Auditory Effect or the Frey Effect. It ain't mind control, or ESP, but here's a link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frey_effect
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Have you ever been sitting at a 4-way stop sign, and told someone else to "go ahead" without using any body languge, but by merely saying it to yourself in your head?
This is just only one of many examples. I guess a bad one.
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However I see absolutly no reason the thought which created the EM wave (which caused the second person's neurons to fire) should actually reproduce the original thought in the second person's brain.
Im not necessarily talking about ESP.
Yossarian you definitely had some good stuff to stay... And i guess the only follow up question would be... What if we're all connected in someway that's not tangible. It's possible. Humans existance is still green. We don't really know what makes us work. Nor do we know where we came from... Perhaps it's not one person telling another to stop or go, but rather one entity communicating to different parts of itself.
An example could be your brain telling your arm to move.
Edited, Fri Dec 9 19:46:56 2005 by PackyMcStout
here we go with waht I think 
The consciousness may be broken down into 3 layers.
I'll call them:
Talking Self (Ego)
Child Self (Id)
Divine Self (SuperEgo)
Starting from the "bottom"
Divine Self:
I won't go too much into this as you've al heard it from me before. The Divine Self is that Quantum aspect of our infinite identity. It goes far deeper than anyone can ever comprehend. It is the "God" inside of us. It is our connection to the "HUB" which is the Timeless/Spaceless quantum universe. THerefore it knows everything about you. It is your next step away from a total collective. Being that it is a quantum state, it could be rationalized that EVERYTHING has a "Divine Self". Everything starts quantum and everything ends quantum.. and being timelss, that is Alpha/Omega, it is infinity.. it is the circle... Begining is End and vise versa..
Child Self:
This is a buffer. Wehn we are born, this is waht is at the surface of our consciousness. This is the primary receptor for the consciousness for Babies and Animals. This does not regard logical concepts. This does not regard Word and Language. THis is strictly emotional. These are the thoughts that you have that have no words or language. This is based totally on imagery and the emotional reation to those images. It is through the Child Self that the Divine my be observed because is is without the restrictions of words and other such logical concepts. As humans grow older, this Child Self become enshrouded and pushed to the background by everything logical that we learn. FOr example, the more words that we know, the less we are capable of recognizing abstract patterns and percieving the world through pictures and imagery. The Child Self however is always functioning... it is so wehn you smell a certain smell or see a certain sight that rather than causing you to think logical words about it; causes you to have an emotional response. The most pure of thoughts. Thus, were one to allow the Child Self to participate more in the conscious thought process, the more emotional we will become and the more receptive we would be to this crazy "pattern" that I am constantly jabbering about.
Talking Self
This is the shell or mask that is created from birth. As our brains begin to assign logical concepts to our sensory inputs, the structure of our surface consciousness is formed. Eventually after puberty the Child Self seems to become more limited and our personalities become locked into the thinking logical beings that we are everyday. This is the part of you that looks at everything at face value. IF the Child Self were not present, then we would be emotionless and strictly machines. All that we see is merely waht it is and nothing would remind us of anything else and trigger any emotional response. Themore developed the Talking Self becomes, the less prone we are to highly emotional incidents... For example, if a loved one dies and you see somthing that reminds you of them and you break down in tears..... It is the Child Self that is responsible for the emotional reaction because it never percieves things at face value. Everything is merely an indicator of some core emotion. The Talking Self however would never be capable of an "emotional outburst" because waht it see is exactly waht it is. In that light, the Talking Self can never comprehend "God" or "Magic" or "Love" because none of these things operate in the logical world. The Talking Self is merely the mask that we wear that allows us to function as rational and civilized human beings. Without the Talking Self, we would be nothing but animals. It is waht seperates us from every other creature on Earth; the rapid development of our consciousness. We wouldn't be much of a species if we strictly did everything based on emotional reactions.
I believe that "who we are" is the conjunction of these three aspects of ourselves.
The consciousness may be broken down into 3 layers.
I'll call them:
Talking Self (Ego)
Child Self (Id)
Divine Self (SuperEgo)
Starting from the "bottom"
Divine Self:
I won't go too much into this as you've al heard it from me before. The Divine Self is that Quantum aspect of our infinite identity. It goes far deeper than anyone can ever comprehend. It is the "God" inside of us. It is our connection to the "HUB" which is the Timeless/Spaceless quantum universe. THerefore it knows everything about you. It is your next step away from a total collective. Being that it is a quantum state, it could be rationalized that EVERYTHING has a "Divine Self". Everything starts quantum and everything ends quantum.. and being timelss, that is Alpha/Omega, it is infinity.. it is the circle... Begining is End and vise versa..
Child Self:
This is a buffer. Wehn we are born, this is waht is at the surface of our consciousness. This is the primary receptor for the consciousness for Babies and Animals. This does not regard logical concepts. This does not regard Word and Language. THis is strictly emotional. These are the thoughts that you have that have no words or language. This is based totally on imagery and the emotional reation to those images. It is through the Child Self that the Divine my be observed because is is without the restrictions of words and other such logical concepts. As humans grow older, this Child Self become enshrouded and pushed to the background by everything logical that we learn. FOr example, the more words that we know, the less we are capable of recognizing abstract patterns and percieving the world through pictures and imagery. The Child Self however is always functioning... it is so wehn you smell a certain smell or see a certain sight that rather than causing you to think logical words about it; causes you to have an emotional response. The most pure of thoughts. Thus, were one to allow the Child Self to participate more in the conscious thought process, the more emotional we will become and the more receptive we would be to this crazy "pattern" that I am constantly jabbering about.
Talking Self
This is the shell or mask that is created from birth. As our brains begin to assign logical concepts to our sensory inputs, the structure of our surface consciousness is formed. Eventually after puberty the Child Self seems to become more limited and our personalities become locked into the thinking logical beings that we are everyday. This is the part of you that looks at everything at face value. IF the Child Self were not present, then we would be emotionless and strictly machines. All that we see is merely waht it is and nothing would remind us of anything else and trigger any emotional response. Themore developed the Talking Self becomes, the less prone we are to highly emotional incidents... For example, if a loved one dies and you see somthing that reminds you of them and you break down in tears..... It is the Child Self that is responsible for the emotional reaction because it never percieves things at face value. Everything is merely an indicator of some core emotion. The Talking Self however would never be capable of an "emotional outburst" because waht it see is exactly waht it is. In that light, the Talking Self can never comprehend "God" or "Magic" or "Love" because none of these things operate in the logical world. The Talking Self is merely the mask that we wear that allows us to function as rational and civilized human beings. Without the Talking Self, we would be nothing but animals. It is waht seperates us from every other creature on Earth; the rapid development of our consciousness. We wouldn't be much of a species if we strictly did everything based on emotional reactions.
I believe that "who we are" is the conjunction of these three aspects of ourselves.
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here we go with waht I think icon
The consciousness may be broken down into 3 layers.
I'll call them:
Talking Self (Ego)
Child Self (Id)
Divine Self (SuperEgo)
Starting from the "bottom"
Divine Self:
I won't go too much into this as you've al heard it from me before. The Divine Self is that Quantum aspect of our infinite identity. It goes far deeper than anyone can ever comprehend. It is the "God" inside of us. It is our connection to the "HUB" which is the Timeless/Spaceless quantum universe. THerefore it knows everything about you. It is your next step away from a total collective. Being that it is a quantum state, it could be rationalized that EVERYTHING has a "Divine Self". Everything starts quantum and everything ends quantum.. and being timelss, that is Alpha/Omega, it is infinity.. it is the circle... Begining is End and vise versa..
Child Self:
This is a buffer. Wehn we are born, this is waht is at the surface of our consciousness. This is the primary receptor for the consciousness for Babies and Animals. This does not regard logical concepts. This does not regard Word and Language. THis is strictly emotional. These are the thoughts that you have that have no words or language. This is based totally on imagery and the emotional reation to those images. It is through the Child Self that the Divine my be observed because is is without the restrictions of words and other such logical concepts. As humans grow older, this Child Self become enshrouded and pushed to the background by everything logical that we learn. FOr example, the more words that we know, the less we are capable of recognizing abstract patterns and percieving the world through pictures and imagery. The Child Self however is always functioning... it is so wehn you smell a certain smell or see a certain sight that rather than causing you to think logical words about it; causes you to have an emotional response. The most pure of thoughts. Thus, were one to allow the Child Self to participate more in the conscious thought process, the more emotional we will become and the more receptive we would be to this crazy "pattern" that I am constantly jabbering about.
Talking Self
This is the shell or mask that is created from birth. As our brains begin to assign logical concepts to our sensory inputs, the structure of our surface consciousness is formed. Eventually after puberty the Child Self seems to become more limited and our personalities become locked into the thinking logical beings that we are everyday. This is the part of you that looks at everything at face value. IF the Child Self were not present, then we would be emotionless and strictly machines. All that we see is merely waht it is and nothing would remind us of anything else and trigger any emotional response. Themore developed the Talking Self becomes, the less prone we are to highly emotional incidents... For example, if a loved one dies and you see somthing that reminds you of them and you break down in tears..... It is the Child Self that is responsible for the emotional reaction because it never percieves things at face value. Everything is merely an indicator of some core emotion. The Talking Self however would never be capable of an "emotional outburst" because waht it see is exactly waht it is. In that light, the Talking Self can never comprehend "God" or "Magic" or "Love" because none of these things operate in the logical world. The Talking Self is merely the mask that we wear that allows us to function as rational and civilized human beings. Without the Talking Self, we would be nothing but animals. It is waht seperates us from every other creature on Earth; the rapid development of our consciousness. We wouldn't be much of a species if we strictly did everything based on emotional reactions.
I believe that "who we are" is the conjunction of these three aspects of ourselves.
The consciousness may be broken down into 3 layers.
I'll call them:
Talking Self (Ego)
Child Self (Id)
Divine Self (SuperEgo)
Starting from the "bottom"
Divine Self:
I won't go too much into this as you've al heard it from me before. The Divine Self is that Quantum aspect of our infinite identity. It goes far deeper than anyone can ever comprehend. It is the "God" inside of us. It is our connection to the "HUB" which is the Timeless/Spaceless quantum universe. THerefore it knows everything about you. It is your next step away from a total collective. Being that it is a quantum state, it could be rationalized that EVERYTHING has a "Divine Self". Everything starts quantum and everything ends quantum.. and being timelss, that is Alpha/Omega, it is infinity.. it is the circle... Begining is End and vise versa..
Child Self:
This is a buffer. Wehn we are born, this is waht is at the surface of our consciousness. This is the primary receptor for the consciousness for Babies and Animals. This does not regard logical concepts. This does not regard Word and Language. THis is strictly emotional. These are the thoughts that you have that have no words or language. This is based totally on imagery and the emotional reation to those images. It is through the Child Self that the Divine my be observed because is is without the restrictions of words and other such logical concepts. As humans grow older, this Child Self become enshrouded and pushed to the background by everything logical that we learn. FOr example, the more words that we know, the less we are capable of recognizing abstract patterns and percieving the world through pictures and imagery. The Child Self however is always functioning... it is so wehn you smell a certain smell or see a certain sight that rather than causing you to think logical words about it; causes you to have an emotional response. The most pure of thoughts. Thus, were one to allow the Child Self to participate more in the conscious thought process, the more emotional we will become and the more receptive we would be to this crazy "pattern" that I am constantly jabbering about.
Talking Self
This is the shell or mask that is created from birth. As our brains begin to assign logical concepts to our sensory inputs, the structure of our surface consciousness is formed. Eventually after puberty the Child Self seems to become more limited and our personalities become locked into the thinking logical beings that we are everyday. This is the part of you that looks at everything at face value. IF the Child Self were not present, then we would be emotionless and strictly machines. All that we see is merely waht it is and nothing would remind us of anything else and trigger any emotional response. Themore developed the Talking Self becomes, the less prone we are to highly emotional incidents... For example, if a loved one dies and you see somthing that reminds you of them and you break down in tears..... It is the Child Self that is responsible for the emotional reaction because it never percieves things at face value. Everything is merely an indicator of some core emotion. The Talking Self however would never be capable of an "emotional outburst" because waht it see is exactly waht it is. In that light, the Talking Self can never comprehend "God" or "Magic" or "Love" because none of these things operate in the logical world. The Talking Self is merely the mask that we wear that allows us to function as rational and civilized human beings. Without the Talking Self, we would be nothing but animals. It is waht seperates us from every other creature on Earth; the rapid development of our consciousness. We wouldn't be much of a species if we strictly did everything based on emotional reactions.
I believe that "who we are" is the conjunction of these three aspects of ourselves.
Thanks Sigman Freud. :P
The way you describe the concept of the "Talking Self," it seems that language serves only to distract us from the "real reality." So why do we do it? Are we adult humans therefore inferior to infants and animals?
I also think your mixing in Freudian terminology is unfortunate, as he is one of the major reasons why the pop-culture understanding of psychological processes is so warped. I blame the coginitive psycholgists.... but I digress.
I also think your mixing in Freudian terminology is unfortunate, as he is one of the major reasons why the pop-culture understanding of psychological processes is so warped. I blame the coginitive psycholgists.... but I digress.
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Thanks Sigman Freud. :P
Not nearly enough references to sex with one's mother to fall into that category.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
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I also think your mixing in Freudian terminology is unfortunate, as he is one of the major reasons why the pop-culture understanding of psychological processes is so warped. I blame the coginitive psycholgists.... but I digress.
yeah well, i think that associating it with those classical concepts at least make me sound a bit less like some new-age wack job, going on about the "inner child" and so on..
I think Freud may have been on to somthing... but like any other human, he himself digressed into the ego-centric thinking.... and co[b][/b]cksucking. THat's besides the point.
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The way you describe the concept of the "Talking Self," it seems that language serves only to distract us from the "real reality." So why do we do it? Are we adult humans therefore inferior to infants and animals?
All of it is the real reality.
But it's not only language, it is the entire delelopment of that type of logical thinking. It's like putting a bunch of cubicles in a whirlpool. It is the structuring of that which would be chaos in the 'normal world'. Without it we would be "insane".
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I've always been of the opinion that there's something "more" to the mental processes and perception then we measure today. Can't say what it is, or how it might work, but I've seen enough "strange" things to convince me that there's more to the world out there then the physical stuff we measure and quantify.
I worked for several years at a convenience store and I got scarily good at reading people. Now maybe this is all just body language, but maybe not. It didn't happen all the time but when it did, it was just "obvious" what that person was thinking or was going to do. On several occasions, I'd know what someone was going to come in and buy before they'd taken more then a step through the door, even if I'd never seen that person before. I was 100% accurate when I sensed someone was going to try to steal something. And this wasn't just in my head. There were a number of regulars who'd hang out there, and when I'd get the sense, I'd turn to them and say something like "Watch this guy, he's going to do a beer run". I was never wrong (although I didn't always sense when it would happen, when I did sense it, it was always right).
Again. Could be body language, but the one and only time I was robbed, I *knew* it was going to happen when the guy stepped through the door. Funny thing is that I was standing at the coffee station making coffee with my back to the door at the time. I literally felt my heart jump into my throat and just knew this guy was going to rob me. But I'd not yet turned around and looked at him. I just heard the bell as he walked in. I even considered not walking up to help him just to see what happened (and how long he'd wait there), but my curiousity got the best of me. I wanted to know if my feeling was right. Sure enough. As soon as I walked around the counter and up to the register he claimed to have a gun in his pocket and told me to give him the cash in the register.
I sometimes get incredibly strong deja-vu experiences as well. Not the "gee, this feels familiar", although that happens a lot too. Mine are more like I'll remember something like it happened before. I'll think it happened before. And then when it does happen, I'll literaly be thinking along and at each stage in the scene think to myself "ok. Now this will happen. Ok. Then this. Alright... Now this other thing will happen". Each thought preceding the action I'm seeing by seveal seconds. Annoyingly, it never seems to happen when it's something useful. Just random series of events that occur in any given day.
I once also had a dream in which I was a disembodied figure floating around at my friends house for some reason. In the dream, my friend was having a conversation with another person we both knew. It was a pretty lengthy conversation about some topic that I've since forgotten. Point is that a few days later, I'm talking to this friend on the phone and something relevant to that conversation I'd heard in the dream came up, and I'd forgotten that it was just a dream, so I said something like "Yeah, and so and so told you X right?". And my friends like "How did you know that?". I'm like "I was there I think. You said this, then he said that, and blah blah blah". Turns out that he had had a conversation with that other person and the conversation was verbatim what I'd heard in my dream (or as close as we could tell), but no one else had been there. I certainly was not. Shocked the hell out of him to be honest.
I also had a most bizaare experience with the whole supernatural thing. Now. I'd played around with Ouija boards when I was a kid. Never did anything spectacular. Certainly nothing to convince me it wasn't me or whoever I was goofing off with (usually one of my siblings) pushing the reticle thing around. Until the day I met a girl that was into witchcraft and such. Let me be clear. I'd hung out with lots of witches. Never saw anything from or around any of them to convince me it wasn't just all in their heads. But this was totally different, and to this day, I can't explain it. She says she wants to use the board to contact a spirit friend. I'm like "yeah. Sure. Gonna watch yet another person goof off with a Ouija board. Whatever". She needs a second person, so I'm sitting there with the board between us with my hands on the reticle thingie. It instantly feels "strange". My hands felt like they weren't over a board, but being held over an open freezer. There was like a cold wind rising out of the thing. Very strange. And the damn reticle was moving very quickly. I'd seen people who goofed around with thse things and moved them themselves. I'd never seen it do this though. And nothing could explain the cold...
So yeah. I tend to keep an open mind about these things. Most people are total goodballs, and seem to make stuff up because it's "cool" or something. But I've seen just enough truely strange stuff that I'm not going to ignore the possibilities.
I worked for several years at a convenience store and I got scarily good at reading people. Now maybe this is all just body language, but maybe not. It didn't happen all the time but when it did, it was just "obvious" what that person was thinking or was going to do. On several occasions, I'd know what someone was going to come in and buy before they'd taken more then a step through the door, even if I'd never seen that person before. I was 100% accurate when I sensed someone was going to try to steal something. And this wasn't just in my head. There were a number of regulars who'd hang out there, and when I'd get the sense, I'd turn to them and say something like "Watch this guy, he's going to do a beer run". I was never wrong (although I didn't always sense when it would happen, when I did sense it, it was always right).
Again. Could be body language, but the one and only time I was robbed, I *knew* it was going to happen when the guy stepped through the door. Funny thing is that I was standing at the coffee station making coffee with my back to the door at the time. I literally felt my heart jump into my throat and just knew this guy was going to rob me. But I'd not yet turned around and looked at him. I just heard the bell as he walked in. I even considered not walking up to help him just to see what happened (and how long he'd wait there), but my curiousity got the best of me. I wanted to know if my feeling was right. Sure enough. As soon as I walked around the counter and up to the register he claimed to have a gun in his pocket and told me to give him the cash in the register.
I sometimes get incredibly strong deja-vu experiences as well. Not the "gee, this feels familiar", although that happens a lot too. Mine are more like I'll remember something like it happened before. I'll think it happened before. And then when it does happen, I'll literaly be thinking along and at each stage in the scene think to myself "ok. Now this will happen. Ok. Then this. Alright... Now this other thing will happen". Each thought preceding the action I'm seeing by seveal seconds. Annoyingly, it never seems to happen when it's something useful. Just random series of events that occur in any given day.
I once also had a dream in which I was a disembodied figure floating around at my friends house for some reason. In the dream, my friend was having a conversation with another person we both knew. It was a pretty lengthy conversation about some topic that I've since forgotten. Point is that a few days later, I'm talking to this friend on the phone and something relevant to that conversation I'd heard in the dream came up, and I'd forgotten that it was just a dream, so I said something like "Yeah, and so and so told you X right?". And my friends like "How did you know that?". I'm like "I was there I think. You said this, then he said that, and blah blah blah". Turns out that he had had a conversation with that other person and the conversation was verbatim what I'd heard in my dream (or as close as we could tell), but no one else had been there. I certainly was not. Shocked the hell out of him to be honest.
I also had a most bizaare experience with the whole supernatural thing. Now. I'd played around with Ouija boards when I was a kid. Never did anything spectacular. Certainly nothing to convince me it wasn't me or whoever I was goofing off with (usually one of my siblings) pushing the reticle thing around. Until the day I met a girl that was into witchcraft and such. Let me be clear. I'd hung out with lots of witches. Never saw anything from or around any of them to convince me it wasn't just all in their heads. But this was totally different, and to this day, I can't explain it. She says she wants to use the board to contact a spirit friend. I'm like "yeah. Sure. Gonna watch yet another person goof off with a Ouija board. Whatever". She needs a second person, so I'm sitting there with the board between us with my hands on the reticle thingie. It instantly feels "strange". My hands felt like they weren't over a board, but being held over an open freezer. There was like a cold wind rising out of the thing. Very strange. And the damn reticle was moving very quickly. I'd seen people who goofed around with thse things and moved them themselves. I'd never seen it do this though. And nothing could explain the cold...
So yeah. I tend to keep an open mind about these things. Most people are total goodballs, and seem to make stuff up because it's "cool" or something. But I've seen just enough truely strange stuff that I'm not going to ignore the possibilities.
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