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#1 Dec 08 2005 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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BOSTON - Gov. Mitt Romney abandoned plans Thursday to exempt Roman Catholic and other private hospitals from a new law requiring them to dispense emergency contraception to rape victims.

Romney had initially backed regulations proposed earlier this week by his public health commissioner, Paul Cote Jr., who said the new law conflicted with an older law barring the state from forcing private hospitals to dispense contraceptive devices or information.

The Republican governor, who is considering a run for president in 2008, said at a news conference Thursday morning that he asked his legal advisers to review the matter after members of both parties criticized the regulations. He said the lawyers determined that the new law superseded the old law and that all hospitals should be required to offer the so-called "morning after pill."

"On that basis I have instructed the Department of Public Health to follow the conclusion of my own legal counsel and to adopt that sounder view," Romney said.

"I think it's, in my personal view, it's the right thing for hospitals to provide information and access to emergency contraception to anyone who is a victim of rape," he added.

The new law takes effect on Dec. 14. Passed this summer by the Legislature, which then them overrode Romney's veto, it states that the pill must be available to "each female rape victim."

Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, the likely GOP nominee for governor next year if Romney decides not to seek re-election, had broken ranks with the governor on the issue, saying Wednesday that all hospitals should be required to distribute the pill.

Attorney General Tom Reilly, a Democrat who is running for governor in 2006, also opposed letting some hospitals opt out of the new law.

"There shouldn't be any confusion about this," he said. "The law is clear. It applies to all hospitals without exemption."

The emergency contraception pill is a high dose of hormones that women can take up to five days after sex to prevent pregnancy. Opponents who believe life begins at conception contend the pill is little different from an abortion because it blocks the fertilized egg from being implanted on the uterine wall.

Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom had said the governor supported allowing hospitals to opt out on religious or moral grounds because an exemption "respects the views of health care facilities that are guided by moral principles on this issue."

Critics said the proposed regulations were an attempt by the Romney administration to cater to conservative primary voters.

"I think this has more to do with political ambitions," said state Sen. Susan Fargo, a Democrat who supports of the bill. "Unfortunately you can't decide where you are going to be raped so you can be near the best hospital for that."

On my way out the door, but I found this interesting. I had a doctor once (not a gyno, a family doctor), who had me sign a form acknowledging that she didn't believe in birth control and as such, would never prescribe it or endorse it. She also reserved the right to speak to me about "alternate methods of family planning." I was okay with it at first, but once I had a couple of visits of her, she felt comfortable enough with me to lecture me about what was pretty much the rythm method, and I quit going to see her. i understand her sticking to her moral convictions, but I also felt she was doing me, and her other patients, a disservice.
#2 Dec 08 2005 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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How long do you have to take the Morning after pill? Do people get transported to the nearest hospital by ambulance regardless of public/private when they are unconcious?
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#3 Dec 08 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I was okay with it at first, but once I had a couple of visits of her, she felt comfortable enough with me to lecture me about what was pretty much the rythm method, and I quit going to see her. i understand her sticking to her moral convictions, but I also felt she was doing me, and her other patients, a disservice.


Just before my wife and I got married, the preacher that was performing the ceremony wanted to meet with us and get to know us. He was a friend of my wife's family but neither me nor my wife really knew him.

We sat down and he told us all about marriage and what a sacred commitment it was, etc.

At some point the conversation turned into him hinting to us what activities would or would not be accepted sexual behavior between husband and wife. Somehow he thought he should make it his business to tell us how we should or shouldn't have sex. Through touching stories about certain forms of sexual pleasure leading to men leaving their wives to be with other men and other such nonsense, he made his point clear -- He did not believe anything other than missionary position sex was acceptable.

I thought he was doing me a disservice too :P
#4 Dec 08 2005 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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The emergency contraception pill is a high dose of hormones that women can take up to five days after sex to prevent pregnancy. Opponents who believe life begins at conception contend the pill is little different from an abortion because it blocks the fertilized egg from being implanted on the uterine wall.


Though I would assume that the sooner you take it, the better chance you have......



To the opponents:
Why should Rape victims be punished by being forced to have the rapist's baby? Smiley: confused


Edited, Thu Dec 8 15:23:24 2005 by Althrun
#5 Dec 08 2005 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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How long do you have to take the Morning after pill? Do people get transported to the nearest hospital by ambulance regardless of public/private when they are unconcious?


I think you have like three days to take the "morning after pill". I've never really had to use the pill. One doesn't know if they are pregers for quite some time after the moment of conception. It starts a woman's monthly cycle too, so it can't be used as a normal form of birth control. It's more of an "O **** the condom broke and you're not on the pill, not to mention it's about 14 days into your cycle so ovulation is a good posibility" sort of thing.
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And, from the Midwest...
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Walgreen Co. engaged in religious discrimination by "effectively firing" three Illinois pharmacists who refused to fill prescriptions for emergency contraception, an advocacy group said Wednesday.

The American Center for Law and Justice, founded by evangelist Pat Robertson, said it had filed a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

The group said the pharmacists were placed on unpaid leave Nov. 28 because the Deerfield, Ill.-based pharmacy chain said they violated a state of Illinois rule mandating that such prescriptions be filled.
To make it clear, the state of Illinois has a law requiring pharmacies to fill emergency contraception prescriptions. Several pharmacists violated that law by refusing to comply and thusly were suspended by Walgreen's. It would seem to me that their beef should be with the Illinois law but, since that's been upheld so far, they blame Walgreen's for not allowing them to violate the law and put the pharmacy chain at risk.
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#7 Dec 08 2005 at 3:23 PM Rating: Good
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So you get 5 days? So even though it's technically "emergency contraception" you feasibly could get a prescription from your PCP and pick it up at a local pharmacy and still get it in time?
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#8 Dec 08 2005 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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Seeing as this is from my state and *could* affect me as such, Im happy Romney finally went this route. While I don't think it's a good idea to have hospitals not allow contraceptives or birthcontrol, I get and respect where they are coming from. Those who choose those hospitals as their own on a normal basis know what they're getting into and can go there all they wish. But if a rape victim is transported to the nearest hospital given no choice to which she could go to at the time, and is denied the pill based on which hospital they are at, that is not something that sits well with me.

Kudos to Romney on this one
#9 Dec 08 2005 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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Walgreen's isn't a government institution. They should be able to make whatever rules they see fit as it relates to what medications they dispense within legal boundaries. The pharmacists can make the decision whether or not they want to work at Walgreens.

I can't suddenly decide it's against my religion to type and then sue my company when they fire me for refusing to do my job.
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From what I understand, Walgreens actually offered to relocate the pharmacists to Missouri where no such law exists and they can happily refuse people but that wasn't acceptable to the suspended parties.
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Walgreens will seriously allow pharmisists to refuse to dispense prescriptions they sell? That is as[/b]snine. Do I have to play pharmisist roulette every time I want to get my prescription filled?
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#12 Dec 08 2005 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
yes.

put it all on red 23.
#13 Dec 08 2005 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Lord xythex wrote:
Walgreens will seriously allow pharmisists to refuse to dispense prescriptions they sell? That is as[/b]snine. Do I have to play pharmisist roulette every time I want to get my prescription filled?


Come to California ... some pharmisists here will even fill out prescriptions for this!
#14 Dec 08 2005 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good


You have 72 hours to take the morning after pill.

There are also numerous forms of just "the pill" that can be taken in such a way to serve as the morning after pill. Doctors can get around laws that way; Wal-Mart and co. is not going to refuse to fill a regular pill prescription.

Army regulations state that emergency contraception is a no go, and I needed it once. I happened to have an understanding doctor who just prescribed the pill, and directed me on how to take it as emergency contraception. I believe it was something to the effect of two pills at once, then another 6 hours later. I could be remembering that wrong though.

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You'll have to ask Walgreen's. I would assume they give that leeway in other states otherwise it'd be pretty pointless to relocate the pharmacists.
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See, I'm confused.

You're debating whether a contraceptive/terminative pill that works 3,4,5 days after conception should be allowed, but you can all buy firearms that are effective up to 100 years after conception.

You Krazy Ameh'kuns!
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So we should arm the sperm with automatics to take out the egg the American way.
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Lord xythex wrote:
Walgreens will seriously allow pharmisists to refuse to dispense prescriptions they sell? That is as[/b]snine. Do I have to play pharmisist roulette every time I want to get my prescription filled?


Its a growing trend apparently...read about this a few weeks ago:

Target allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill Plan B scripts

I agree with you...if your job is really presenting you with such a moral dilemna, maybe you should seek out an alternative career.
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Nobby wrote:
See, I'm confused.

You're debating whether a contraceptive/terminative pill that works 3,4,5 days after conception should be allowed, but you can all buy firearms that are effective up to 100 years after conception.

You Krazy Ameh'kuns!


It's no fun killing them before they get a chance to shoot back!

(and what, do you become immune to guns at 101 years old?)
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Nobby wrote:
You Krazy Ameh'kuns!

How's that murder rate since the handgun ban, Nobby?


I had to help a friend acquire emergency contraception once. She was told by the doc in question that there was a 72-hour window for use. Maybe the new pills have a longer window, or maybe the "real" window is a bit more generous than what they tell people (quite possible), but 72-hours is likely what you'll be told if you ever go looking for the morning after pill.
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You Krazy Ameh'kuns!

How's that murder rate since the handgun ban, Nobby?


I had to help a friend acquire emergency contraception once. She was told by the doc in question that there was a 72-hour window for use. Maybe the new pills have a longer window, or maybe the "real" window is a bit more generous than what they tell people (quite possible), but 72-hours is likely what you'll be told if you ever go looking for the morning after pill.

1 - You're an cu[/i]nt
2 - This is the Arsylum - why are you taking any of it seriously?
3 - My Sexual Health budget is £1.03M We spend a fraction of that on MAPs, but they are in widespread use
4 - You're still an cu[i]
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6 - What happened to 5?
5 - Ahh, there it is
7 - The 'advised' window is 72hrs but effect up to 120 hrs is noted, but side effect risk increases
8 - We always advise the benefits of a hot bath and a knitting needle beyond 12 weeks
9 - Guess what? You're an cu[/i]nt!
10 - Our murder-rate is still a fraction of yours, and the stupid handgun ban made no difference, as only a tiny number of people were licensed to carry em. The dunblane massacre was carried out with illegal, unlicensed weapons by an cu[i]
nt.

And back to my original point. What's better about allowing unwanted pregnancies than allowing retards like you ro carry guns?

No need to reply. Just tell your mom she left an ear-ring in my dog's butt.
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#22 Dec 09 2005 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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The real asinine thing about it is that the prescription has been issued by a doctor, and as a phramacist, your job is to monitor the drugs bieng issued to an individual and make sure that he's safe from any interactions that may be harmful or fatal. Since when is a pharmacist a self-assigned doctor? His/her job is not to make a judgement call on whether or not they agree with the doctor's conclusion. What's next, denying AIDS patients their meds because you disagee with homosexuality? Denying women birth control pills because you believe every sperm is sacred? That's not their job.
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Nobby wrote:
My Sexual Health budget is £1.03M
You're spending WAY too much on hookers.
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People seem to really like giving women the shaft.
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People seem to really like giving women the shaft.


You, sir, have a way with words!
#26 Dec 09 2005 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
I dont understand why the Government needs to get involved here.
I get all my precriptions at one drug store, the Rite-Aide down the street from where I live. If the pharmacist ever refused to fill one of my precriptions my family and I would just go to the another pharmacy. So that company would lose the revenue from not just that script but all other scripts we would have filled in the future. If they are ok with that, that's their business. If Walgreen's decides it isnt going to require it's pharmacist's to fill birth control or morning after pills or whatever other precription they choose then that is their business. I'm sure CVS or Rite-Aide or some other pharmacy will be glad to fill it.

These pharmacies are private businesses. They shouldnt be required to fill any precriptions. It would be the same thing as requiring a vegen restaurant to serve Prime Rib. Who are we or the governent to tell these individual business's whom they need to cater to? It's their loss in revenue if the choose not to.

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