http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4509516.stm
Investigations have begun after US air marshals on board an American Airlines flight shot and killed a man who started acting suspiciously.
US citizen Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, fled before take-off in Miami, saying he was carrying a bomb, officials said.
It was later confirmed that Alpizar had no explosives in his luggage. Witnesses suggested that the Costa Rican-born man may have suffered from mental illness.
The fatal shooting was the first since more marshals were deployed after 9/11.
James Bauer, head of the US air marshal service in Miami, said that controlled explosions carried out on Alpizar's luggage confirmed he was not carrying a bomb.
There was no indication of any link to terrorism, but federal air marshals were deployed in airports around the US as a precaution, Mr Bauer added.
'Unstable'
Alpizar had arrived in Miami, Florida, from Ecuador and was boarding a flight to Orlando at about 1410 local time (1910 GMT).
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I did hear the lady say her husband was bipolar and had not had his medication
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Accounts from inside the plane suggest that Alpizar began behaving erratically before he was challenged by the marshals.
"He didn't look stable," fellow passenger John McAlhany told the Miami Herald.
As he ran down the aisle of the plane, a woman assumed to be his wife shouted for him to stop.
Witnesses interviewed after the shooting described how Alpizar's companion tried to tell fellow passengers or air marshals that he suffered from bipolar disorder, or manic depression.
Can we get rid of Air Marshals yet, or do you morons still think having people with guns on airplanes is a keen idea.
Man I bet Ossama is just laughing his *** off watching CNN in his hotel room in Pakistan thinking about how stunningly sucessfull he's been in terrifying the US.
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Meh, I still say we have a right to be scared. We have a right to try and protect ourselves. It's not the air marshall's fault he wasnt on his medication. The wife should have taken more responsibility in making sure he took his meds. They both knew the risks of not taking the medication, she's married to him, its just as much her obligation to their joint welfare to make sure he is staying on track as it is his IMO. If she knew he hadnt taken them, she should have postponed the flight and taken care of him.
We have a right to try and protect ourselves. It's not the air marshall's fault he wasnt on his medication.
Is it his fault that he killed someone who posed absolutely no threat for no particular reason?
Pretty sure if someone yeels "fire" in a crowded theater it's illegal, but you don't get to kill them on the spot.
This guy got killed for running on a plane. Without sissors.
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We had a similar case in the UK after the July bombings. An illegal immigrant ran from police when asked to stop into a tube station. The police, fearing he was another suicide bomber, killed him.
There is a balance to be made between protecting ourselves and the rights of individuals. I do not wish to be the one to make that choice. It seems if you overprotect, this happens. If you do not have enough security, bombings happen.
There is a balance to be made between protecting ourselves and the rights of individuals. I do not wish to be the one to make that choice. It seems if you overprotect, this happens. If you do not have enough security, bombings happen.
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If you do not have enough security, bombings happen.
No.
See, this is the important bit, too.
The bombings will happen regardless. The bombings will happen if you kill every suspicous looking person you come across.
Niether the London incident or this one has anything to do with security, it has to do with people living in fear of being attacked.
Which is the whole point of the bombings and largely why they will continue.
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Well, we Brits have shown we will not be intimidated by bombings. The IRA did not succeed, neither will religious loonies.
We would be foolish to not fear the bombs, but we would be more foolish to give in to the bombers puppet masters. We will continue to live normally.
We would be foolish to not fear the bombs, but we would be more foolish to give in to the bombers puppet masters. We will continue to live normally.
The IRA did not succeed
Didn't they, though?
That's a funny measure of success you have if you think the IRA failed.
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Smash, I’ll give you the fear thing, our current administration has definitely over-used it, and the general public follows along like sheep.
But, I think the air marshals are a good idea, any deterrent is better than none. They will never be able to end all threats aboard flights, it’s pretty hard to defend against someone willing to sacrifice themselves for their cause.
If you were the air marshal, what would you have done? Waited till he detonated the bomb, just to be sure? How do the marshals know the wife wasn’t an accomplice? I would not want their job, but I would have done exactly what they did.
But, I think the air marshals are a good idea, any deterrent is better than none. They will never be able to end all threats aboard flights, it’s pretty hard to defend against someone willing to sacrifice themselves for their cause.
If you were the air marshal, what would you have done? Waited till he detonated the bomb, just to be sure? How do the marshals know the wife wasn’t an accomplice? I would not want their job, but I would have done exactly what they did.
If you were the air marshal, what would you have done? Waited till he detonated the bomb, just to be sure?
Depends where he was at the time.
If, and I have no idea if this is the case but it seems not to be, he was running towards a crowd of people of course I'd have killed him.
If he was reaching into his backback 100 yards from anyone, yeah, I'd have wiated untill the bomb went off.
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Can we get rid of Air Marshals yet, or do you morons still think having people with guns on airplanes is a keen idea.
It will come as no suprise to you that I think they are a fine idea. Bad luck to the crazy guy that ignored orders to stop and continued running through a jet reaching in to a satchel. It goes to the individual taking responsibility for his actions. If he was unable to do so, he should have been prepared for the consequences. Oh, sure, there'll be a lawsuit over this, wrongful death or something, and the U.S. government will probably end up giving millions to the widow, but if that happens I am all for sending a squad to her house to finish the job.
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If, and I have no idea if this is the case but it seems not to be, he was running towards a crowd of people of course I'd have killed him.
He was running down the jetway towards the airport. Airport terminals tend to be full of people. Causeways are not all that long and certainly both the terminal and the airplane are well within the blastrange of a well constructed bomb. Even more so if it is a dirty or chemical bomb.
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He was running down the jetway towards the airport. Airport terminals tend to be full of people. Causeways are not all that long and certainly both the terminal and the airplane are well within the blastrange of a well constructed bomb. Even more so if it is a dirty or chemical bomb.
So it is ok to shoot the same directon someone is running with a bomb ?
9mm shells are well known to go through people/walls and hit individuals on the other side, same with 357 shells and a few other small caliber high powder shells.
Depending on what the marshall was shooting and his aim, he put just as many if not more people at danger by firing his weapon.
The whole situation is screwy, his medical condition and him alledgedly stating him having a bomb, I still have not seen proof that he actually said I have a bomb, most of it has been alledged...
He was running down the jetway towards the airport. Airport terminals tend to be full of people. Causeways are not all that long and certainly both the terminal and the airplane are well within the blastrange of a well constructed bomb. Even more so if it is a dirty or chemical bomb.
So you have no idea if there were people where he was running either.
Not real helpfull.
The guy had a BACKPACK. The airplane was in zero danger unless he had a pound of Californium.
Whatever, though. I understand your point. Killing 1000 innocent people is better than having one airport damaged.
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Depending on what the marshall was shooting and his aim, he put just as many if not more people at danger by firing his weapon.
No, a (single) bullet is going to cause damage to one, maybe two people. A bomb is going to cause damage to possibly HUNDREDS of people. How abouts you try that again.
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Depending on what the marshall was shooting and his aim, he put just as many if not more people at danger by firing his weapon.
You're kidding right? You are saying that a bullet shot by a person trained to the highest marksmanship standards of any federal law enforcement officer is just as dangerous as a well built nail bomb?
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I still have not seen proof that he actually said I have a bomb
How are you going to get proof of what he said?
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The guy had a BACKPACK. The airplane was in zero danger unless he had a pound of Californium.
A pound of C4 wrapped in easily obtainable yellow cake would put everyone in a several mile radius in danger. How about if it was wrapped in vials of a nerve agent?
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So you have no idea if there were people where he was running either.
Not real helpfull.
The guy had a BACKPACK. The airplane was in zero danger unless he had a pound of Californium.
Whatever, though. I understand your point. Killing 1000 innocent people is better than having one airport damaged.
Not real helpfull.
The guy had a BACKPACK. The airplane was in zero danger unless he had a pound of Californium.
Whatever, though. I understand your point. Killing 1000 innocent people is better than having one airport damaged.
How about we remind you to take your meds period. Thank God you are too crazy to get into any office with any real control over anything.
The guy was a ******** Him and his wife knew about the meds, but they "forgot" to take them. He said bomb on an airplane, took off running, and got shot.
I fail to see how this was FAM's fault at all.
Thank God you are too crazy to get into any office with any real control over anything.
Hahaha.
Oh if you only knew.
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Hahaha.
Oh if you only knew.
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Oh if you only knew.
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Aww come on....you can't do that to us. The suspense is going to kill me!! Come on....come on.....come on.....
Meh, he's just the fry-o-later dude. Add multiple personalities on top of manic depressive and you have Smash.
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No, a (single) bullet is going to cause damage to one, maybe two people. A bomb is going to cause damage to possibly HUNDREDS of people. How abouts you try that again.
Who said they only fired once?
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He was standing in the chute that loads you into the plane, no where near any other passengers, if you have been in an airport you do know that the chute is probably 50-75 yards away from any of the other people in the airport, especially if the plane just boarded there may of been a few passer-byes that would of been in danger.
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How are you going to get proof of what he said?
Well the article states he threatened the passengers with a bomb, I had not read this previously.
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A pound of C4 wrapped in easily obtainable yellow cake would put everyone in a several mile radius in danger. How about if it was wrapped in vials of a nerve agent?
You have watched too many movies my friend, 1 pound of c-4 in a cake is not going to threaten a multiple-mile raidus, the airport may of been demolished but farmers 30 miles away are not going to feel tremors.
Nerve agents would be a different story, but once again the quanity that he would of had access to in a backpack would more than likely not of been enough to put a large radius at risk.
Edited, Thu Dec 8 10:42:11 2005 by Kronig
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Nay, you are their god....
......Hold me....
Nay, you are their god....
......Hold me....
Why don't you just continue your tradition of Aslyum fellatio and add a quote of his to your sig? Another notch on the belt for you Molish. Collect them all!
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