Waht are thoughts made of?Follow

Unless you're a neuroscientist, it's best to stop looking at a thought as something that is and instead look at it as something you do.

im am a neuroscientist....(well, medical physicist specializing in computational neuroscience)

How about this:

Basically if you can answer how the Universe was created from nothing into everything then I believe you could answer what are Thoughts made of.

First, I cannot comprehend how if nothing ever existed, because there had to be a time when there was nothing, then how did we have the big bang?

Second, if explained by God, because God always was and always will be, then he must have been the one to supply the material for the big bang to happen.

Then by the wave of the Hand of God and His spoken words "Let there be Light" all that ever was and all that will ever be was created and set into motion through evolution.

So then God and evolution must work side by side. That would explain the six days of creation, or as we wiew it, six milleniums to create the Universe and life on Earth.

So if God is Omnipotent, and we know he is, then He knows all that has happened since the big bang till the end of everything. (Which we all are still trying to understand, is the Universe ever expanding or is the Universal gravity eventually going to pull us all back together into that little ball of energy. Then we start all over agian.)

Anyway my point is that if God created and knows all thoughts that ever was and will ever be, then all thought must exist at one time. He already knows all the thoughts and choices you were going to make in your life the day he started Creation.

Then that is why we hear the phrase "It is God's plan." Why? Because all has been planned since the big bang till the end of time. You have no free will because you can't fool God, he already knows the path you will take. There is no changing it.

So thoughts must be made from sub atomic particles that maybe drawn to our minds at a specific time because it has been planned by a higher existence. Then there is a reaction inside our brain that brings it from the sub conscience to the conscience, thus we have our thought or idea.


Anyway, for the hotdog theory. If I tasted a hotdog that left an everlasting memory in my mind of its juicy flavor, that memory would always be the same everytime it was released because the flavor of that hotdog would be stored in my brain cells. So yes the thought would always exist so the experience would always be the same. It is not a fleeting thought.

Anyways, I have to get back to work. Write more friends. I love this discussion because know one really knows. We can only guess because it is beyound the phatoms of what our minds can comprehend. Only death will bring us to the truth.

It was wrong in two ways. First off the assertion was wrong. The question was socratic not inquisitive, you were trying to lead the poster to a conclusion.

Second it is an either-or question which can be wrong.

Edited, Fri Dec 9 18:51:41 2005 by Allegory

Hey Evil,

If you are so smart, where did the first piece of mass come from to start the big bang then? Science cannot explain that can it? Can you explain it scientifically? Everything that we know has had a beginning and science has backward engineered to the beginning of it to explain it. But can you backwards engineer so far back to the point where nothing ever existed? I don't think so.

And don't say it has always been there because there can only be one thing that has always been there. And that can only be explained through faith. You have to believe, if you do, that He has always existed.

Also, apparently you must know anything about it either because I do not see anything that you wrote that would advance this thread. Mostly just complaining.

As you see I have ideas and questions and opinions, and that is all they are, which are formulated from life experience, reading and listening to others, even you. Besides, if you knew the answers and were so smart, I doubt that you would ever bother with these forums. Hey where is Steven Hawkins anyway? Oh he is off doing something important, sorry Evil.

Back again,

I just want to say I am sorry if I am not the smartest person on this thread but to assume that I do not read and try to comprehend subject matters is in itself, lazy. Because you are just making an assumption and not researching what my education level or experiences may be. So you jump to a conclusion which is what people do when they do not want to work to a quantified means.

So lets look at some examples of why you are wrong.

I must of went to school to learn how to read and write so that
would require at least a grade school education.

I mentioned that I was at work so I must have at least a high school diploma since about 75% of the working class has one. So I have a good shot at that.

Next, I am involved in a discussion of a subject above a high school level which would require some reading, thinking and hypothesising. That would require college experience and brainstorming with peers. Which I did have a nice paper published, by the college I attended, on Existentialism about 15 years ago.

Also, I was able to compare the two thoughts of man, Is it Creation or is it Evolution? That must show some religious background studies and an ability to open my mind to a greater solution.

And lastly, I spent the time trying to explain it to someone who I don't know or really care about which shows some passion for the subject matter.

Side Note:
(If you notice the well constructed body of this letter, you may think that I have studied English somewhere during my lifetime).

In conclusion, you are correct though, I am not the smartest person in the world but to say that I am lazy is ignorant at best. To assume that I think you are trying to tell me that you are the smartest person here would be ignorant on my accord, but I do not think that. I know that there will always be people smarter than you and I and there will always be people less fortunate than you and me. (I would never call anyone stupid or lazy). But the one thing I have learned is to live with an open mind, listen to everyone's ideas and formulate my own opinions because in the end it all really doesn't matter. We all share one thing in common, no matter how smart, or how rich or how beautiful. We all get old and die and no one can stop that.

But I degress. It is a wonderful thing to be able to converse with anyone in any format and I truly enjoyed and look forward to more deeply immersed conversation with you EP and anyone one else. Have a great day.

wow, so no intelligent people enjoy public debate? you single handedly mocked every poster on this forum (including yourself).

As for the first happenings of matter, pick up a book on string theory before you say we have no idea. And you still have a hard time with "timeles universe", but have no problem with timeless god. Your rhetoric makes no sense and displays only your unwillingness to think about the subjects you debate and the gods of ignorance you worship. Take your massive "life experience" and go read a book before saying god is the way and science doesnt know anything.

No one knows which theory is correct as to what happened before the bang, i fear anyone who says they do, as they are easily controlled and as gullable as a 2 year old.

Is there and current proof: No

Could there be: Yes

Is there any evidence or any scientific reasoning that currently even comes close to pointing in that direction: No

Here is my definition of intelligence, or "The Mind", that i have come up with after years of asking myself the same questions:
The real time interpretation of sensory input registered and correlated with stored input to form a linear process of signal translation. Hence the linear intellectual development from a mindless **** machine to a quantum physicist as time progresses and information in attained. The key here is that as the stored sensory input increases, the individual is capable of examining it(past input or memories) in real time as well, allowing for a self awareness of time and a basis for intelligence and cognitive awareness as a macroscopic biogical organism.

um.. Country Music? oo am i misunderstanding what you are saying?

Edited, Sat Dec 10 18:41:53 2005 by EvilPhysicist

And what does that look like??

<wave>

Edited, Sun Dec 11 03:08:09 2005 by cwilloughby

I disagree with that theory. I do not believe that elevation through training and growth have enhanced our thoughts. If you believe in "cavemen" and how they started using simple tools and mastering fire, then you can see that their thoughts were processed and they knew what they needed. I do however believe that we have grown with accepting the ideas of other peoples thoughts.
It just seems to me that the statement above is saying that our brains only process thoughts if we try. Thoughts aren't learned, they have always been there, yes, but enviroment plays a big role in the thought process. Every person thinks differently, acts differently and learns differently. With the ability to understand each other we grow.
I believe that any being can process thoughts, reguardless of training or growth. Just the inability to express it can hinder us.
Mentally challenged individuals for example. We do not know what they think, we assume. A lot of times we all just disassociate ourselves from what we believe to be "useless". People think and therefore it is a thought. We usually think before we speak, process it and say what we feel. We verbalize thoughts, we recreate thoughts though music, movies, plays, etc.
Because of our structure,, humans in particular, have the ability to prosper. We try to make our lives as simple as possible and because of other peoples thoughts, we have accomplished this.
This includes fantasy also. We daydream about what we want sexually, physically, mentally, emotionally. What I am trying to say is that we learn from each other and communicate our dreams. So not only do we have our own thoughts but we learn and grow from other peoples thoughts as well.