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Um. What on earth does that prove? As a pilot, if your mission controllers direct you to head to a particular set of coordinates and drop some ordinance, you do that. You might ask about technical stuff regarding the mission, but I'm not aware of any pilot who'd ask something like "Does the target happen to be a group of unarmed civilians by any chance?". That's silly. He's flying in a jet fighter. He can't *see* the people he's bombing other then maybe as a crowd. He's certainly not stopping to check if they've got weapons. That's assumed by the fact that he was directed to drop ordinance on that position.


Love how the fact that they "appeared to be civilians" means that they must have been, and the pilot must have known it, and therefore deliberately killed them just for being civilians.

Sheesh. Talk about rhetoric.

Granted a pilot does not have time to stare at each individual person and see if they are carrying weapons, but 2 things pop into my mind.

#1 are they shooting at me ?

#2 numerous news reports have stated that most of the battle is pop-up shoot a couple rounds and run off, why would 30 insurgents be standing around in the middle of the street being an easy target? They could be trying to blend in but highly doubtful...

I do not think the blame lies on the pilot, as you stated he was just following orders, I think the numbnuts controller is to blame, they jumped to a conclusion based on 0 evidence. But it is a war, who needs evidence when you can shoot first and ask questions later.

Okay, Exterminator gets hired to clean out the ant problem in a new building. Now he goes in and sees the group of ants, He also noticies that the ants are making their way into the basement and into an anthill that the building was built on top of.

Now the owner of the building is hovering over the exterminator, He says kill those ants, they bite! The exterminator takes a closer look and notices that some of the ants do indeed have pincers but some of them are just carrying food back to the anthill. The exterminator knows that he does not have time to sort out the biting ants, he also knows that the building owner really doesn't care that some of the ants pose no harm at all, and furthermore that their anthill was built there first before the building.

The exterminator has a family to feed and wants to get paid so he stamps all of the ants into paste, food gatherers and pincers alike.

I commend you on your analogy, sir.

Absolutely correct I had just edited the post.

yeah you would find it 'just as likely', because you are willing to sit there and defend the slaughter of people that have done you no harm whatsoever in a country that you have never been to, because you are willing to believe that your government knows whats good for you...hence your willingness to make excuses on their behalf.

aaah.. the power of independant thought! Its what sets us apart from the beasts....

Well depends on what speed they travelling at and if it was actually day or night :P

Was at an airshow when a F-16 snuck up on the crowd, SOB hit mach 1 right above us, only reason we knew he was there was because of the boom ... and then we see him about 2 secs later.

Was pretty awesome actually :P

That's pretty damn cool, I have been to one airshow in my life but I was so young I can't much remember it. I remember seeing some of the planes on the ground but none of the flying, I still remember being pretty amazed though. Flight in itself is just an amazing thing, and to I think the majority of little boys (boys especially) it's like being in the most amazing toy store on the planet to see those planes close up.

***** please...

We can do this all night if you want.

gbaji said I've said it before and I'll say it again,.

Whatever excuses that you want to make, the BOTTOM line is this... The American armed forces have NO right whatsoever to be in Iraq dropping bombs on the citizens of that country.

You can keep on waffling on about about 'insurgents' and 'terrorists' and 'rejectionists' or whatever your word de jour is, but, you are WRONG.

And while I'm at it, I am not a 'tree hugging lefty', or a 'pinko commie', but I have been to some places in the world that you couldn't even find on a map. Including the Middle East.
I also had the misfortune to be witness to a suicide bombing (Tel Aviv), and have been to more than one camp full of refugees from a regional conflict (NE Thailand and Eritrea). My opinions are the result of witnessing the misery wrought by human conflict.

War in any form does NOT solve any problems. war is the end result of of a total failure of leadership. A complete disaster for all involved. Sure, some people are making a packet out of conflict, but those people are devoid of any semblance of human spirit.

As far as the Iraq mess goes, it is a war of naked aggression against a country that was NO threat to the aggressor. And on THAT premise alone, I will continue to protest against it.

You will no doubt continue to excuse the behaviour of your governmental policies, using words and your own peculiar brand of 'logic'. But my friend, you are wrong. This war is wrong from the bottom up. Nothing good will come from it, and the people of the world will be paying for the consequences for decades to come.

Maybe you need to step back and ask yourself why you are so enthusiastic about excusing the tactics that we are witnessing. Perhaps a quick visit to a zone of coflict, and a first hand idea of the end result of modern warfare may make you a little less quick to jump to the defense of the multi billion dollar war machine, that has been unleashed on a country that had an army that went to war in sandals.

Probably not tho....

Why not just say that and stop pretending that it's about specific actions that are "bad"? Admit it. You hate the war. You would disagree with the war even if 100% of Iraqi's polled wanted us there, and the bad guys were wearing bright red and green warpaint and every single "kill" was recorded with absolute certainty that no one not wearing that warpait was ever hurt. You'd be opposed to it even if there wasn't a single abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib. You'd be opposed to it even if every single bullet fired by us in the conflict was accounted for and shown absolutely to have hit no one but child-molesters and suicide bombers.


You're for it regardless of circumstance, so your oppinion is meaningless, QED.

Thanks for saving me time there. Phew.

Wow...I didn't realize heavily-armed gangs were roaming freely across Dallas and Miami, blowing up busses and police stations on a weekly basis. Pretty soon dissidents from Long Island will be shelling Manhattan with mortars. Glad I'm moving out of Westchester!

Are you drunk?