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#27 Dec 09 2005 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, you people are touchy about your u's eh? It's cute.


#28 Dec 09 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
dont get me wrong, im not pro gay at all. i personally think it is unnatural. natural selection alone has made sure it is only a very small percentage of any given population, adn pressure from society has ensured people, gay or not, will assiciate the practice with negative connotations. it is not how we are ment to live.

however......

i also see the wisdom our forefathers displayed when making a very concious decision to ensure people are free to choose how they want to live, and to SEPERATE religion from government.

look at every country torn apart by war both past and present. almost always it is because one group of like minded people tried to impose thier beliefs on every one else. they wanted to ensure THIS country did not fall apart at the seams by making the same mistakes as almost every other country has at one time or another.

i am not talking about religion spacifically. anytime anyone tries to impose its will on others, it splits this country, not unite it. it makes us weeker, not stronger. take roe vs wade. the decision falls in line with the intentions of our forefathers. you have the right to either have or not have an abortion. you do not havce the right to tell anyone else weather they can or cannot. you have FREEDOM to choose what you feel is right for you....and the part that makes this country stronger than others....no one else can dictate what is right for you. it is how so many people with so many differant beliefs can function as a whole and survive almost any turmoil.

it is why we are not in a CIVIL WAR.

gay marriage is the same thing. while i do not believe in it, forcing those that do to live by my standards is wrong. it is against everything this country stands for. it will divide us, weeken us, make us less whole.

for 5 years now, that is exactly what the conservative right has done to this country. weeken us. divide us. make us less whole, in an effort to create their own private little utopia. they are trying to do the very same thing that destroyed so many other countries in the past.

Freedom is the path this country was born on. Freedom to choose how you want to live your life. Freedom from persecution for not chanting the party line.

havent we strayed far enough from the path our forefathers set before us? the path that has taken us father than eny other country? tha path that has made us stronger than every other country?

Freedom forged our strength. the conservative right, reguardless of their intentions, is like a leach sucking our strength away a little at a time.

time to get back on the path people. dont have to like or agree with everyone, just have to acknoledge they have the right to live as they choose just as you do.
#29 Dec 09 2005 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Pssst! Hey, Tarv! Over here.

Some of us had done a masterful job of COMPLETELY ******* IGNORING the original troll monster, and almost let the thread die.

What gives man?

And don't make me remind you that you lost claim to the language the moment we kicked your pasty-white, bland food eating asses back across the pond
Ummm Moe he was right on top of the subject list when i posted.....
#30 Dec 09 2005 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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shadowrelm wrote:
dont get me wrong, im not pro gay at all. i personally think it is unnatural.
So are high heels, push-up bras and lipstick. So what?
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#31 Dec 09 2005 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Ummm Moe he was right on top of the subject list when i posted.....

Yes, but it was Elderon who had put it there. I expect more from you. You're a British Navy Man, for Bob's sake. For the Regiment! Or is that only among the Queen's Army men?
#32 Dec 09 2005 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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For the Regiment! Or is that only among the Queen's Army men?
Army, we do ships companies and since it's so fluid it doesn't really amount to anything like the same thing.

At my rank i will only ever spend 18-24 months on a unit before moving on.
#33 Dec 09 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Default
So are high heels, push-up bras and lipstick. So what?
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all of the above accent the natural beauty of a woman. they make something very natural become more appealing.

put those same things on something unnatural, like a man for instance, they no longer accent, they contrast with the natural order of things. they make them twisted, wrong, against the very nature of human beings.

red on a rose is beauty. black on a rose is twisted, unnatural, wrong.

thongs on a fit woman is beauty, thongs on any type of man is.....just wrong.
#34 Dec 09 2005 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Shadow, you really need to read some stories about Thailand dude.
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So a woman contorts her body with metal and fabric and slathers herself in chemicals and it's natural. Two naked dudes touch one another and it's freakish and strange.

Gotcha Smiley: dubious
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#36 Dec 09 2005 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Amazingly enough Dictionairy definations reflect the world around us, to use the second defination riht now would be wrong since it can't happen.


I remember when "ain't" was added into the dictionary. Good times those were.

Edited, Fri Dec 9 13:31:03 2005 by fenderputy
#37 Dec 09 2005 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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against the very nature of human beings


Oh mighty Omnicient one, please bestow upon us your infinite wisdom of the nature of human beings.

Considering that there are over 6 billion humans on the planet and it's taken hundreds of thousands of years for us to build up "Civilization" I would say that your knowledge of "Human Nature" amounts to the same chance you have of every having a well-thought out, well-quoted, logical point.

Jesus. Do you even know how flawed the term human nature is?
#38 Dec 09 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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shadowrelm wrote:
thongs on a fit woman is beauty, thongs on any type of man is.....just wrong.


And on the 12th day, God created thongs for Eve, and it was good.

Ahhh, gotta love enhancing that natural beauty with a string up your ***.
#39 Dec 09 2005 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Considering that there are over 6 billion humans on the planet and it's taken hundreds of thousands of years for us to build up "Civilization" I would say that your knowledge of "Human Nature" amounts to the same chance you have of every having a well-thought out, well-quoted, logical point.

/boggle Just when you think its safe to come back to the Asylum... What happened, kid, you get bored with cartoons today and decided to come in and share with us the opinion you just know will clear everything up? Thanks for the effort, but don't bother trying again.
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Jesus. Do you even know how flawed the term human nature is?

Does the irony of this statement even begin to occur to you?

Besides, if homosexuallity were an integral part of human nature, it wouldn't bode well for the survival of the species, now would it? It is, by it's very nature, an abaration. It may be a perfectly ok one, and the implications of it on a mass scale may be fairly insignificant, but it is an abaration.
#40 Dec 09 2005 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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It is, by it's very nature, an abaration.


How so? If, for instance, human's sole nature was to procreate, then yeah, I'd have to agree.

With medical techniques available now we don't NEED to procreate to survive. Since human physiology hasn't quite caught up with the psychology of it we'll still feel that burning need to sow our seeds.

You know that when mice breed in a contained area they turn to homosexuality to keep the population from further exploding right?

There is no "Survival of the Species" anymore. As soon as human beings could postulate on their own individual existance any semblence of species identification went out the window.

If we were so concerned about survival of the species don't you think there would be more of an outcry when 70 000 were wiped off the planet?

Keep trying Moe.

Edited, Fri Dec 9 14:34:46 2005 by Diveos
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FWIW, I agree that it's an "aberration" at least in that it's not the norm. I just found it funny to decry it as "unnatural" when 95% of what we do in all aspects of life is far removed from collecting berries & bird eggs.

Edit: One "b", two "r"s in aberration

Edited, Fri Dec 9 14:40:35 2005 by Jophiel
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#42 Dec 09 2005 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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when 95% of what we do in all aspects of life is far removed from collecting berries & bird eggs.


It's good to know that digging a hole and squatting is still normal.

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#43 Dec 09 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
normal to who?
#44 Dec 09 2005 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Keep trying Moe.

No need. I've already done plenty. You are the one who broadened the scope to the hundreds of thousands of years of civilization's evolution. By that measure, procreation is a valid point and is thus appropriately used by me FTW.

Anything else, n00b?

EDIT: I just discovered you're from Canaduh which invalidates most of what pops in to your little insignificant head. Thanks for playing, but I win by default.

Edited, Fri Dec 9 14:53:49 2005 by MoebiusLord
#45 Dec 09 2005 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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You are the one who broadened the scope to the hundreds of thousands of years of civilization's evolution


Sure did.

The romans, the greeks, the military from almost any nation from any century (as well as the navy).

To be abberrant behaviour it would have to be different than the "Norm". Since where I live being human is the norm and not who you cohabitate with, homosexuality is still not abberrant behavior.

Since human drive is not solely based on the need to pass on your genetics to survive humans phisological responses will eventually catch up.

#46 Dec 09 2005 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I just discovered you're from Canaduh which invalidates most of what pops in to your little insignificant head. Thanks for playing, but I win by default.


You live in a country that let's ID be taught as science.
You live in a country where GM had to create picture books in Arkansas to train their workers because they are illiterate.
You live in a country that has a president that is mocked by every intelligent person on the planet but you elected him twice.

We just talk slow so you americans can feel smarter. Sadly you're usually too busy sucking down a quarter pounder to notice.
#47 Dec 09 2005 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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To be abberrant behaviour it would have to be different than the "Norm". Since where I live being human is the norm and not who you cohabitate with, homosexuality is still not abberrant behavior.

This is artificially limiting the scope of the discussion to avoid the topic of discussion. Thank you, come again.
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Since human drive is not solely based on the need to pass on your genetics to survive humans phisological responses will eventually catch up.

This is speculation and is therefore invalid in relation to the topic at hand. Thank you, come again.
#48 Dec 09 2005 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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You live in a country that let's ID be taught as science.
You live in a country where GM had to create picture books in Arkansas to train their workers because they are illiterate.
You live in a country that has a president that is mocked by every intelligent person on the planet but you elected him twice.

We just talk slow so you americans can feel smarter. Sadly you're usually too busy sucking down a quarter pounder to notice.

And you have Quebec. Thank you, come again.
#49 Dec 09 2005 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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And you have Quebec. Thank you, come again.


Fu[b][/b]ck.

Ok got me there.

Just think though, if they seperate the U.S will have to deal with them! More Quebeckians with US passports.

Shi[i][/i]t. We should just boot them now.

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This is speculation and is therefore invalid in relation to the topic at hand.


Same goes for you. You can't decide for the rest of existance what is abberrent or not so the same point holds for both arguements.

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This is artificially limiting the scope of the discussion to avoid the topic of discussion


Since you can't speak for all of creation I have to place the argument SOMEWHERE in the vicinity of actual fact. Since I live in a place that it isn't abberrent it's convienient.
#50 Dec 09 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I just discovered you're from Canaduh which invalidates most of what pops in to your little insignificant head. Thanks for playing, but I win by default.


You live in a country that let's ID be taught as science.




Shhhh ... some of us aren't all to proud of that.
#51 Dec 09 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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In the eyes of god maybe, but marriage is a civil ceremony these days.
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