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#27 Dec 07 2005 at 12:02 PM Rating: Good
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yes i know pineapples don't grow on trees.


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#28 Dec 07 2005 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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We had a douglas fir and when we bought it, the men there were cutting the bottoms off the trees, but I'm not 100% sure that they did it for ours when I went to go pay for it so I guess that must be it. Lesson learned for sure.
Unless you go home and immediately put it in water, I wouldn't trust the tree to be "open" just because the guys at the lot cut it. I always saw off a quarter inch or so at home before setting the tree up just to be sure. Even with a handsaw, it's a one minute job.
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#29 Dec 07 2005 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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My family used to cut our own christmas trees. there was a farm that grew them and then allowed customers out into the field to cut it on the spot. were able to keep those around well into new years week. They might say "fresh" cut but they probably have been at least a day or more out of water. You might want to look into a cut your own tree farm plus it's fun to take the family and make it an event
#30 Dec 07 2005 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Our Christmas trees always seemed to thrive on cat excrement *shrug*



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#31 Dec 07 2005 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
Ok, once and for all, you can't over-water your christmas tree.

Unless you cut the tree down yourself, you have no idea when it was originally cut. The clock starts running the minute it gets cut, so if you cant actually cut it, try to find a place that will at least be honest about the cutting date. Home Depot or Lowes are not the sort of places to do this.

Next, as has been mentioned, you MUST cut a small piece off the trunk immediately before putting it into water. This opens up the vascular tissue in the inner layer of bark that will become sealed as sap drys around the cut edge. Nothing else matters except re-opening that vascular tissue; not plant food, not poking holes in the woody section of the trunk (this is no longer vascular and is not involved in water uptake), not singing to your tree, etc. After placing the tree in water, it can take 1/2 to 1 full gallon of water, or more, in the first day so watch it carefully, and keep the bowl full (you cant over-water your tree...).

As Jophiel mentioned, species matters. Two very popular trees over the last few years (at least here in the States) have been Firs- the Douglas and the Fraser. Both have exceptional needly retention, and I'm always able to keep my Fraser for a full month or more. I do, however, cut it myself. Scotch Pine and Blue Spruce, two traditional favorites, do not retain needles as well.

I suspect that either the tree you bought had been cut long before you bought it, or, the sap was allowed to seal that vascular tissue.
#32 Dec 07 2005 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I spent a couple years ordering and selling trees once upon a time and pretty much any tree was cut a week or more prior to Thanksgiving. Unless the tree is coming from a local farm, no one is shipping down fresh spruce from Nova Scotia in mid December.

However I still never had much trouble with my trees until I got lazy and neglected them. I used to be comp'd a free tree each year and, even knowing exactly when it was cut, I could keep it fresh and happy for as long as I maintained it.
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#33 Dec 07 2005 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
I'm surprised there hasn't been any enviromentalist threads created to protest the cutting of trees for Christmas, lol.
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All told, tree farming is fairly eco-friendly in comparison to most reasons to knock down a forest. The trees support a variety of wildlife during their growth, are guaranteed to be replanted and provide the usual benefits of forests in terms of cleaning air pollution, maintaining the climate, preventing erosion, etc. Since the desired end result is a well formed and attractive tree to sell, you don't go out and clear-cut a mountainside like you may for lumber. It's a lot more selective and leads to a much gentler approach.

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#35 Dec 08 2005 at 1:10 AM Rating: Good
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Well, cutting it myself would mean I had to go and buy a handsaw, which I didn't think was neccessary at the time. I'll wait until next week and head out to get a new one I guess.
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#36 Dec 08 2005 at 8:09 AM Rating: Good
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'll wait until next week and head out to get a new one I guess.


Might as well buy a cheap one off the lot at this point ;)

I've been working at a family friends tree farm every season for the last 12 years or so, and it's been interesting to watch the trends come and go. The most notable was the purchasing of a potted tree for use during christmas, which hasn't been a particularily popular idea in my neck of the woods for the last few years.

The other thing I've noticed is that retail prices for trees have not gone up significantly, yet the cost to maintain a farm certainly has. The family friend I mentioned is actually considering quiting the x-mas tree business, and selling trees only for landscaping from now on. The tree he can sell for $60 to 100 as an x-mas tree will sell later in the spring for $250 to $300 as a landscaping tree. I'll miss selling trees on the weekends, but I certainly can't blame him.
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The other thing I've noticed is that retail prices for trees have not gone up significantly, yet the cost to maintain a farm certainly has.
I guess the availability of good looking, inexepnsive artificals doesn't help.
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The tree he can sell for $60 to 100 as an x-mas tree will sell later in the spring for $250 to $300 as a landscaping tree.
Aye. Pulling a random catalog off the shelf, a 6' Scotch pine sells for about $95 as a balled & burlaped landscaping tree. As a cut tree, it sells for perhaps $50 retail which means wholesale has to be closer to $25. Of course, I doubt we've used over a hundred scotch pines this year versus the amount one can sell as cut trees. The most popular landscape conifers around these parts, Austrian pines, white pines & blue spruce, never sold well in my opinion as Christmas tress. I guess you've gotta pick your battles and plant accordingly.
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#38 Dec 08 2005 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
It's funny, because when I first started working for him, he was selling 80% U-Cut Scotch, and about 20% U-cut Spruce. The Scotch were only selling for $35 each, but the Spruce have always been $50+. The Scotch grow faster, but they seem to be in demand less and less every year. We always had Scotch in my house when I was growing up, and I have a certain nostalgic attachment to them, yet since I brought home my first Fraser a few years ago, I've never looked back.

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The most popular landscape conifers around these parts, Austrian pines, white pines & blue spruce, never sold well in my opinion as Christmas tress.


Where are you, btw? I'm in Michigan, north of Detroit. It's pretty much the same story here, with the exception of the Blue Spruce. We dont sell many, but there's still a small segment of the population that refuses to get anything else. I love the way the Spruce look, and I think they smell the strongest of any of the bunch, but I just can't stand those sword-sharp needles.
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Chicago suburbia. Landscape-wise, and this is large-scale commerical landscaping so I can't speak much for small residental jobs, it goes Austrian pine, blue/green spruce a dip to white pine, a moderate dip down to concolor firs and then a sharp dip to everything else, namely Scotch pine and a few others. Even with firs, you could add together every fir of whatever species we plant and it wouldn't be half the Austrians we use.

It's been a good five years or more since I've sold a Christmas tree but it seemed to either be Scotch pines or Fraiser firs depending on if you wanted to spend a little or a lot. Some Douglas and Balsams in the middle ground but very few spruce -- I don't think you ever really see them around here. I guess the sharp needles are a turn-off. Some white pine but they're a pain to decorate and I've never seen a cut Austrian on a tree lot.
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