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#52 Dec 07 2005 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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If you mean my definition of 'evil', I'd say it's a completely arbitrary concept invented by sociopaths to better manipulate others.


Well I meant bad as in your reference to God a few posts up, but your definition of evil works as well. How can a creation attribute an arbitrary tag to it's creator like bad or evil. That's like my mashed potatoe statue deciding I am evil for smashing it. It's label has no bearing making it irrellivent. It cannot possibly comprehend my motivations, the thought process that led me to create it or the one to destroy it. It simply isn't capable. Human descriptors are not applicable to God. People can be bad, God cannot he just is.
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#53 Dec 07 2005 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I meant bad as in your reference to God a few posts up, but your definition of evil works as well. How can a creation attribute an arbitrary tag to it's creator like bad or evil. That's like my mashed potatoe statue deciding I am evil for smashing it. It's label has no bearing making it irrellivent. It cannot possibly comprehend my motivations, the thought process that led me to create it or the one to destroy it. It simply isn't capable. Human descriptors are not applicable to God. People can be bad, God cannot he just is.


You're really never going to understand much about the world untill you realize an important truism.

God is the mashed potatos.

good luck.

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#54 Dec 07 2005 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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You're really never going to understand much about the world untill you realize an important truism.

God is the mashed potatos.


Well now, existance without a creator is pretty dire isn't it? If that is the case then what is the point of continuing to exist?
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#55 Dec 07 2005 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Well now, existance without a creator is pretty dire isn't it? If that is the case then what is the point of continuing to exist?


Welcome to atheism, man.

Oh wait, you were talking about God, right? He's creatorless and hence doesn't exist, yeah?

This is going to go badly for you. I'd highly recommend you stop responding to my posts and go watch a Davey and Golliath video or something.

Seriously. Just going to get ugly and confusing for you.



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#56 Dec 07 2005 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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He's creatorless and hence doesn't exist, yeah?


Assuming that "time" isn't simply a measure of the physical movement and change and that "GOD" is not a force that is external to the physical universe.

This is too deep for you Smasharoo..

just keep bashing the Christian people.

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#57 Dec 07 2005 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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We've been over this before so I think I'll be ok.

Whether or not God has a creator is irrelivent to us. In order to have a full comprehension of an entity we must be able to define it's limits. In order to define it's limits we must be greater than it. We would be unable to fully comprehend an entity greater than God. The universe was created by God, hence it is defined by God and it can never be greater than God. Nothing of the Universe can be greater than God. He has defined it's limits, in order to make that definition they must be less than his own limits.

Since it is impossible to comprehend something that we cannot define the limits of it has no meaning.

Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?

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#58 Dec 07 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?


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Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?


I think that makes a better question for christians. So you're in 'heaven,' what now? What's the point of existing then?
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#60 Dec 07 2005 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?


I think that makes a better question for christians. So you're in 'heaven,' what now? What's the point of existing then?



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Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?


If you think about it, the belief that there is no god makes it that much more important to make the most out of enjoying life while you're here. People seem to think that not believing in god is a cop-out, or a lazy viewpoint. Personally, I think it's much more difficult being an athiest than believeing in some sort of religion. Those that believe often claim to find comfort in the fact that something is "god's will" or that "it's all part of his plan" when something bad happens. I have to chalk it up to ****** luck, and the fact that life really is a big random ******* mess.

NPR has been running spots lately reviving the 50's radio theme "This I Believe." Penn Gillete recently did a 60-second segment prefaced by the statement "I believe there is no god," and went on to describe why. It was pretty refreshing, and extremely though-provoking regardless of where one stands on the issue. If interested, it can be found here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5015557
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I think that makes a better question for christians. So you're in 'heaven,' what now? What's the point of existing then?


I do believe that's contextual Nihilism. Same thing goes for real life. If there is no "God" then there can be no higher purpose, so what is the point of living.

Nietzsche basically (huuuuuuge generalization) proposed that for certain people it would be incredibly freeing to not have a purpose and they could live only for themselves and do what they want. (NOTE there is no mention of being selfish, just doing what they want)

For others it would be incredibly depressing because they would have no reason to do anything.

Nihilism is incredibly attractive because it removes most social and religious mores from a person and sometimes enables them to live a more (specific to that person) fufilling life.

All of the above doesn't really scratch the surface of the socio/psycho repercussions of basic nihilism/non-belief though. Some will argue that both views of the world will lead to more psychopaths (unlikely due to the heavy amount of specific psychopathy that has to occur plus the neuropsychological factors that must be included).

As with anything regarding human psychology the usual answer to both of these conditions is: it depends.

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Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?
because life without fear is a truely wonderful thing.

but i have a huge issue with your question.

why do you think it's going to end the same?

my life has infinate posibilities, defined by my actions and decisions, because to an atheist the only important thing when we die is our legacy.

Be it our children or how we are remembered by the people who know us.

I do not require a "God" figure to make me a nice person my basic need to hold the respect of the people i love does that, i can assure you i am a better person than all bar one of the Christians my mess, (there are about 7-8) some of them have truely ugly personalities.

most are big boozers who have no respect for anyone and are selfish in the extreme, two are adulterous and another would sh*t on his own mother without thinking twice.

But the do go to church on a sunday so thats ok right? I go to hell, they go to heaven. I'm sure they are filled with remorce untill that first beer.

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Had a debate between a few of my friends the other day; one is a staunch Lutheran, one is a former Catholic, and I'm Catholic, but non-practicing (thus pretty much aligning myself with the second friend).

The first friend started with the statement: "Christianity is a religion. Catholicism and Protestantism are offshoots of it."

My second friend said: "Bull. Ask a conservative Catholic if they are the same religion as a Protestant. You'll be set on fire; but splashed with holy water and prayers right before you die. Then they'll kill you to put you out of your misery."

My take: "It's tough to say. Most of the time, Christianity hits both. But if you ask the specific members of each offshoot what they think, and they'll have their own opinions. It is tough to know who is right."

What I basically summed up my position as was: Christianity is a belief. It encompasses both Catholicism and Protestantism, plus everything that Protestantism branches off into. However, a religion is not just a belief: it is a system organized around a belief. Because "Christianity" itself is not a structure (as some "Christians don't use the Bible, and many debate what Christ actually said/did/meant...), it is therefore not a belief until you reach one of its stuctured offshoots, such as Catholicism, or a Protestant religion.

Any takers on the subject?



I think that the various branches of Christianity are like languages, the follow the same basis but each has their own interpretation.

Trying to box someone into a neatly labled box isn't, in my opinion, what christianity is about. I would think that all Christians use the bible just the interpretation varies. Even us Jews & the Muslims use some parts of the bible.

Christianity is the foundation of the Christian religions. Catholiccism and Protestantism are just interpretations of Christianity. Like, looking at a painting, everyone will have a different interpretation of the meaning.

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#65 Dec 07 2005 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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Tarv, going to church no more makes you a Christian than going to McDonalds makes you a big mac. It doesn't sound like your Christian friends do a very good job of reflecting Christ. I don't know if you will go to hell or not. I really don't know what God's plan is for you or anyone else. That is completely out of my control. But I know the conviction I feel for myself. I would like to be the one to introduce that sort of conviction to someone else, just as someone introduced it to me.

Really, I don't begrudge you of your faith, but I ask you do not begrudge me of mine. I'm more than willing to share it with you and I also enjoy listening to yours.

Diveos that is really interesting. I think I will do a little reading on Nihilism
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#66 Dec 07 2005 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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tarv of the Seven Seas wrote:
my life has infinate posibilities, defined by my actions and decisions


well, no.
according to your beliefs; your posibilities are not infinate.. they only can be based on how far you think life goes.. as such, you believe that it ends with the grave. That doesn't sound very infinate to me. All you touch and all you see, Right? According to you there can be no true miracles or magic. That's not quite infinate either is it?

just sayin'
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Back to my question on Atheism, why bother to continue to exist if in the end it's all the same anyhow?


I think that makes a better question for christians. So you're in 'heaven,' what now? What's the point of existing then?



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I thought Angels were asexual?
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#69 Dec 07 2005 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey, and I thought Gozer was a manSmiley: dubious
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Matthew 22:30 is probably indicating that angels are “sexless.”

"Angels are personal beings, having aspects of intelligence, emotions, and will. This is true of both the good and evil angels. Good angels, Satan, and demons possess intelligence (Matthew 8:29; 2 Corinthians 11:3; I Peter 1:12). Good angels, Satan, and demons show emotions (Luke 2:13; James 2:19; Revelation 12:17). Good angels, Satan, and demons demonstrate that they have wills (Luke 8:28-31: 2 Timothy 2:26; Jude 6). Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14), with no true physical body."
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#71 Dec 07 2005 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing that that say is "no physical body".

so they can't fu[/b]ck, but I'm sure they can make Love..


[b]BIG ******* ANGELS I SAY!!!!
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Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14), with no true physical body."


Then how do they appear to so many people in the Bible?

Damn, I knew we shoulda got someone to proofread that thing before we accepted it as divine truth. Oh well, can't go back on it now.
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#73 Dec 07 2005 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Then how do they appear to so many people in the Bible?



I think they either are assumed to take on a physical form for a certain task... or perhaps could appear as a halucination or a divine hologram or somthing.

your mind can make all sort of things "seem like" it's happening
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
The only thing that that say is "no physical body".

so they can't fu[/b]ck, but I'm sure they can make Love..


[b]BIG ******* ANGELS I SAY!!!!


if they cant fu[b][/b]ck then how do you explain succubui & inncubi?

Angels are spirit beings (Hebrews 1:14), so they do not have any essential physical form. It definitely seems that angels have the ability to take on human form. In Genesis 18:1-19, God and two angels appeared as men and actually ate a meal with Abraham. Angels appear as men many times throughout the Bible (Joshua 5:13-14; Mark 16:5). The angelic creatures described in Isaiah 6, Ezekiel 10, and Revelation 4-5 appear quite unusual. So, angels have some form of “spiritual body” but likely we are currently incapable of truly understanding their form. Angels also have the ability to take on other forms, such as human, in order to appear to us in a manner we can understand. Whenever angels did appear to humans in the Bible, it resulted in fear, amazement, and wonder (see Daniel chapter 10).

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#75 Dec 07 2005 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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Am I going to hell?


Search your heart. You know the answer to this question.
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My heart tells me that I shouldnt have eaten those bean and cheese tacos at 4:00 am last night.

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Angels also have the ability to take on other forms, such as human, in order to appear to us in a manner we can understand


So they are not in any way physical, but they can take on a physical form. Not understanding, but maybe I just need to hallucinate more.
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