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#1 Dec 06 2005 at 9:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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ST. PARIS, Ohio -- Steven Zorn had put the pen gun to his head and clicked before, apparently thinking it was jammed and would not work.

But on the third try, the tiny silver pistol went off as the 22-year-old budding rap artist was drinking to celebrate an impending record deal. He died at a hospital.

The Nov. 18 shooting at Zorn's home in this rural village of 2,000, about 50 miles northeast of Dayton, is believed to have been accidental, according to family, friends and law enforcement officials.


Here's a free tip: When putting a loaded gun to your head, if the first time it doesn't, work call it a gimme and get on with your life. Don't keep pulling the trigger to see what'll happen.

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#2 Dec 06 2005 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
If at first you don't succeed...
#3 Dec 06 2005 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder if it'll increase the sales on his record.


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#4 Dec 06 2005 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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ST. PARIS, Ohio -- Steven Zorn had put the pen gun to his head and clicked before, apparently thinking it was jammed and would not work.

But on the third try, the tiny silver pistol went off as the 22-year-old budding rap artist was drinking to celebrate an impending record deal. He died at a hospital.

The Nov. 18 shooting at Zorn's home in this rural village of 2,000, about 50 miles northeast of Dayton, is believed to have been accidental, according to family, friends and law enforcement officials.


Here's a free tip: When putting a loaded gun to your head, if the first time it doesn't, work call it a gimme and get on with your life. Don't keep pulling the trigger to see what'll happen.

"Accidental" Smiley: oyvey


I do not believe rap "artists" are required to pass an intelligence exam at all. Clearly, this monuments my belief.
#5 Dec 06 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
Oh they have an intelligance exam, it starts like this.

These questions are axed to you in order. You must answer 'em wif a number two pencil. Good luck mutha fu[b][/b]cker.
#6 Dec 06 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Playing russian roulette might make a man a badass, but playing on your own.... Smiley: oyvey
#7 Dec 06 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good


Why did you put "artists" in quotation marks?

Just curious.

#8 Dec 06 2005 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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Oh they have an intelligance exam, it starts like this.

Dem questions are axed fo you in orda. You gotta answer 'em wif a numbuh two pencil. Keep it real, mutha fu[b][/b]cka.



Fixed.


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#9 Dec 06 2005 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good


Edit: Double post. It is taking friggin years for my posts to appear. *shrug*





Edited, Tue Dec 6 10:38:10 2005 by Katarine
#10 Dec 06 2005 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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But on the third try,


This should go on his tombstone. Right after the words "Dumb f[b][/b]uck."

How will the U.S. cope with the death of one of our star citizens? Who will rise up from the dregs of society and continue to propogate this waste of space 21st century "artistry"? Who will spend money frivolously on trinkets and spinners while ignoring the people they left behind and those in dire need? Who will the children look up to?

Is there anyone left? This is indeed a sad day for America.
#11 Dec 06 2005 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
sorry mate. I had my keyboard region set to "white folks land".

#12 Dec 06 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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sorry mate. I had my keyboard region set to "Wigga".
#13 Dec 06 2005 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
naw, it wasn't even wigga...it was that bad...i re-read it.

i'm SUCH a honky.
#14 Dec 06 2005 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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#15 Dec 06 2005 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
Katarine wrote:


Why did you put "artists" in quotation marks?

Just curious.



Why do you think I put it in quotation marks?

Critical thinking is a dying art.

EDIT +1 for neph for point out a spelling error.

Edited, Tue Dec 6 12:53:38 2005 by Rimesume
#16 Dec 06 2005 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Why do you think I put it in quotation marks?

Critical thinking is a dieing art.


So is spelling. Bam dum dum.
#17 Dec 06 2005 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
call it a gimme and get on with your life.


You mean he can't take a mulligan here?
#18 Dec 06 2005 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
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Why do you think I put it in quotation marks?

Critical thinking is a dieing art.


So is spelling. Bam dum dum.


Meh, been up all night. Help me out, what did I misspell?

Edited, Tue Dec 6 12:42:45 2005 by Rimesume
#19 Dec 06 2005 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good

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Why do you think I put it in quotation marks?

Critical thinking is a dieing art.


My guess would be that you don't consider rappers artists. But that is just the way I would take it, I was wondering if you meant it that way.

#20 Dec 06 2005 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
A great example of why it's paramount to stress weapons safety.

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#21 Dec 06 2005 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Dying.
#22 Dec 06 2005 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
Katarine wrote:

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Why do you think I put it in quotation marks?

Critical thinking is a dieing art.


My guess would be that you don't consider rappers artists. But that is just the way I would take it, I was wondering if you meant it that way.


You hit the nail on the head. I can see art(in every sence of the word) in R&B, but Rap is just pure garbage. Considering how well this crap sells in the US tells me how many of my fellow Americans lack even in the smallest amount, what it takes to make art. Many of these Rap "artists" have song writers and rarely(if ever) create or compose the music(I use that word very loosly) they make.

You are NOT an artist if...
You have a song writer(The song writer is the real artist)
If someone makes your music and you just sing(The musician is the artist). Your just a tool not the real artist. Would you consider the paintbrush or the painter the artist?

Edited, Tue Dec 6 12:51:11 2005 by Rimesume
#23 Dec 06 2005 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good

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You hit the nail on the head. I can see art(in every sence of the word) in R&B, but Rap is just pure garbage. Considering how well this crap sells in the US tells me how many of my fellow Americans lack even in the smallest amount, what it takes to make art. Many of these Rap "artists" have song writers and rarely(if ever) create or compose the music(I use that word very loosly) they make.

You are NOT an artist if...
You have a song writer(The song writer is the real artist)
If someone makes your music and you just sing(The musician is the artist). Your just a tool not the real artist. Would you consider the paintbrush or the painter the artist?


There are rappers out there that do make their own beats, and write their own lyrics. Then there are rappers that sort of work together in groups, like Dr. Dre might make a beat for Eminem to rap to. While I am not really "into" rap, I do believe it is important musically, and a majority of the rappers are artists.

It is important musically because it is another direction that music has gone, and it can point to where music will go eventually. For instance, you can draw lines from blues, to soul, to funk, to early rap, to what is going on now musically in southern rap and what remains of east and west coast rap. You can listen to James Brown and then Parliament, and then to Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg and hear the progression very clearly. These lines split off and go into other directions, such as Motown sort of blending into R&B. Because of this, I don't see how you can say rappers are not important, or are not artists. If they make an impact on music as a whole, I would say that is fairly important.

#24 Dec 06 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
Katarine wrote:

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You hit the nail on the head. I can see art(in every sence of the word) in R&B, but Rap is just pure garbage. Considering how well this crap sells in the US tells me how many of my fellow Americans lack even in the smallest amount, what it takes to make art. Many of these Rap "artists" have song writers and rarely(if ever) create or compose the music(I use that word very loosly) they make.

You are NOT an artist if...
You have a song writer(The song writer is the real artist)
If someone makes your music and you just sing(The musician is the artist). Your just a tool not the real artist. Would you consider the paintbrush or the painter the artist?


There are rappers out there that do make their own beats, and write their own lyrics. Then there are rappers that sort of work together in groups, like Dr. Dre might make a beat for Eminem to rap to. While I am not really "into" rap, I do believe it is important musically, and a majority of the rappers are artists.

It is important musically because it is another direction that music has gone, and it can point to where music will go eventually. For instance, you can draw lines from blues, to soul, to funk, to early rap, to what is going on now musically in southern rap and what remains of east and west coast rap. You can listen to James Brown and then Parliament, and then to Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg and hear the progression very clearly. These lines split off and go into other directions, such as Motown sort of blending into R&B. Because of this, I don't see how you can say rappers are not important, or are not artists. If they make an impact on music as a whole, I would say that is fairly important.



I cannot take rap seriously as an art due to its early stages. I remember a day when Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, and wearing enlarged wall clocks around your neck was the "in" thing. Not to mention the "hammer pants". It has evolved from that to talking about being a criminal, murderer, thief, womanizer, racially explicit, blunts, forties, bi[/i]tches, how big your house is, and how you don't snitch on anyone. I'll admit a few Rappers actually have poetic talent(2pac), but the mass of it is just a scheme, a trick, a sham, a way to make money making horrible music, because Americans will buy it. Rap, sells horribly over seas. Sure, a few rappers like Eminem, Ice Cube, Big E smalls, 2pac, and Dr. Dre have sold many albums overseas, but largely it is unpopular music world wide(And in most countries I have visited considered a joke I might add). I believe it is that way for a reason.

[i]Edited, Tue Dec 6 13:17:13 2005 by Rimesume
#25 Dec 06 2005 at 1:17 PM Rating: Good
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Rimesume the Shady wrote:

You are NOT an artist if...
You have a song writer(The song writer is the real artist)
If someone makes your music and you just sing(The musician is the artist). Your just a tool not the real artist. Would you consider the paintbrush or the painter the artist?

Ludicrous and oversimplified. Do you not consider a digital artist an artist because his graphics are being drawn by complicated algorithims, and not by paints mixed by his own hand? Is filmmaking not an art because the direcotr isn't the only one creating, but rather it's a collaboration of actors, costume designers, lighting technicians, cinematographers, etc? Is a person that makes a collage, or a giant paper-mache statue not an artist because they are recyclying materials?

In case you were wondering, the answer to all of these is no. If you have no creativity to begin with, don't strain yourself trying to set hard limits on creativity, the very purpose of which is to stretch , break, and redefine them.
#26 Dec 06 2005 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

Ludicrous and oversimplified. Do you not consider a digital artist an artist because his graphics are being drawn by complicated algorithims, and not by paints mixed by his own hand?


Again, the graphics being drawn by complicated algorithims, is the digital artists paintbrush.

The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

Is filmmaking not an art because the direcotr isn't the only one creating, but rather it's a collaboration of actors, costume designers, lighting technicians, cinematographers, etc?


All the above said people are the tools of the artist. Some tools can be an artist in this situation.

Actors- A very hard job to do well. Even the most amature of a crowed can point out a bad actor/actress. Requires talent.
Costume Designers- Thier "tool" is the clothing and make-up ect. that they decide to use.

The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:

Is a person that makes a collage, or a giant paper-mache statue not an artist because they are recyclying materials?


Tool: Paper-mache is the tool or the paintbrush, the actual thought is from the artists.

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