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#1 Dec 05 2005 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10303175/ wrote:
Evidence suggests U.S. missile used in strike
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Shrapnel that appeared to be from an American-made missile was found Sunday at the house where Pakistan said a top al-Qaida operative was killed in an explosion, although President Bush’s national security adviser declined to confirm the death.


On one side this puts less troops in the line of fire, but on the other the US has strongly opposed this sort of thing for quite some time. Taking a lesson from isreal now, and is it a good one?

Edited, Mon Dec 5 11:38:37 2005 by xythex
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#2 Dec 05 2005 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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On one hand, our troops are not in the line of fire. We can safely target somebody or something from miles away, fire a missile, and eliminate that threat without posing a threat to ourselves.

On the other hand, we lose face with rest of the world.

I think I know which one is the better option.
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#3 Dec 05 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
I have never been a fan of our public "ban" on assasination. Personally, I feel that limiting our options in the face of a global threat is a mistake and would applaud the government for taking this step. Of course, this comes along with my acknowledged opinion that not all of the 6,000,000,000+ people on the planet are unique and special enough to be too terribly concerned about their continued existence.

While we're at it, we should do a few more as far as I'm concerned.
#4 Dec 05 2005 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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I was under the impression the al-Qaida were always on dead-or-alive status since 9/11.

And I don't think it's technically "assassination" if he's not a head of state or political leader.


Some info here: http://www.terrorismanswers.org/policy/assassination.html
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The Bush administration says al-Qaeda operatives are enemy "combatants" under international law—and that strikes against al-Qaeda personnel are thus military actions, not assassinations.


I'd buy that.




Edited, Mon Dec 5 11:46:34 2005 by trickybeck
#5 Dec 05 2005 at 11:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Echoing Tricky, I don't think that al'Qaida folks are considered heads of state or even political figures when it comes to deciding how and when to kill them. Nor do I think they should be.

On a side note, I had no idea that Lion-o spun the dredel.
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#6 Dec 05 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, he's always circumsized in my dreams, so I just assumed.



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Saw the story on the Canadian news yesterday. They had pictures of the villagers holding what appeared to be scraps of the missle. No one really blinked an eye over it really and no one was decrying the US gov't/military for taking the guy out. Just mentioned that it happened.

It is not like Clinton didnt order missle strikes on Bin Laden while he was president, also Israeli missle strikes on terrorist and radical group leaders has kind of set a precident.
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#8 Dec 05 2005 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
Lord xythex wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10303175/ wrote:
Evidence suggests U.S. missile used in strike
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -
Shrapnel that appeared to be from an American-made missile was found Sunday at the house where Pakistan said a top al-Qaida operative was killed in an explosion, although President Bush’s national security adviser declined to confirm the death.


On one side this puts less troops in the line of fire, but on the other the US has strongly opposed this sort of thing for quite some time. Taking a lesson from isreal now, and is it a good one?

Edited, Mon Dec 5 11:38:37 2005 by xythex


you do realize that other nations and militaries use munitions from the US dont you?

as for state sanctioned assasinations against terrorists i am 100% for it, but for other heads of state i am 100% against it.

so yes I support what Isreal does against the Hamas and IJ, but that is also why the US stopped Isreal from assasinating Arafat(sp?) because he was the reccognized Head of State of Palistine.

If a missle that was built in the US was used to kill a terrorist then who cares. it would/should not matter were the missle was made or came from, only that a terrorist is DEAD.
#9 Dec 05 2005 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I would also add that the US exports huge amounts of arms to other countries, and while security in the US and Britain are good the same could not be said of some of the places they sell too.

That a US made weapon was linked to an attack in no way proves it was a US lead attack.

To infer it is similar to infering that 1+1=7.

Edit: seems like me and Singdal where thinking along the same lines.

Edited, Mon Dec 5 12:14:55 2005 by tarv
#10 Dec 05 2005 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
I think the concern may not be that we assasinated the guy, but that we did it in a country we are allied with, most likely without their notice.

Imagine, if you will, that a pakistani drone killed an Al-Qaida guy on US soil.

Sure, most citizen's wouldn't care (unless innocent civilian's died too), but the government would be a bit perturbed that this was done on our soil, without notice, dontcha think?
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#11 Dec 05 2005 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Sure, most citizen's wouldn't care


Sure they would.

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#12 Dec 05 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can't really draw a direct comparison because there hasn't been joint U.S.-Pakistani efforts for the last three or four years to find al'Qaida agents in the U.S.
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#13 Dec 05 2005 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
I honestly think most American's are ok with terrorists being killed. And honestly, since most people on American soil have "rights", having another country kill them would definatly expedite things.

Oh god, I hope I just haven't given the administration any ideas >.>

Obviously, any other country carrying out any sort of military operation here pretty much can't happen. Our government wouldn't allow it.

But it's a double standard, isn't it?
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Obviously, any other country carrying out any sort of military operation here pretty much can't happen. Our government wouldn't allow it.

But it's a double standard, isn't it?
I can't think of a situation where our own military and intelligence would be less capable of handling it than someone else's. I guess if someone attacked London or Tel Aviv and fled to the wilds of Montana, we might have British or Israeli troops working with the U.S. to locate them. But that's not real likely to happen.

If it was just a question of thinking there might be terrorists hiding out where the deer and the antelope play, I can't imagine why we'd be looking for Pakistanti assistance in locating and killing them.
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#15 Dec 05 2005 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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I do not think you can call it an “assassination” unless we did not have permission to carry out anti Al Qaeda operations like this in Pakistan, which I am pretty sure we have.

If we did not have permission than the only difference between this missile attack and the missile attacks against Al Qaeda in Sudan and Afghanistan (prior to the invasion), is the accuracy.

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