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#1 Nov 30 2005 at 12:36 PM Rating: Decent
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WASHINGTON - Airport security screeners are reportedly going to let passengers bring sharp objects on board airplanes again. Today's Washington Post says the Transportation Security Administration plans to announce security changes Friday.

Sources quoted by the paper say the new rules will allow things like scissors in carry-on bags. The reasoning is that such items are no longer regarded as the greatest threat to airline security.
Homeland Security Department officials are said to be more concerned about preventing suicide bomb attacks at airports. Officials want screeners to focus more on finding things that can explode rather than things that are sharp.

The Post reports the newly relaxed rules would allow scissors under four inches long tools shorter than seven inches.

TSA spokeswoman says the new initiatives will be positive for both security and customer service.


Well this is interesting, one of the biggest tragedies in the country was started with a 7 inch box cutter...
#2 Nov 30 2005 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe one day I'll be able to fly with my machete again...
#3 Nov 30 2005 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Maybe one day I'll be able to fly with my machete again...


Yeah, you never know when you might have to cut up some witches
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#4 Nov 30 2005 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
A lot of arguements have been that in this day and age, if anyone pulls a knife that they will immediatly over taken by the passengers. Might be true, unless your plane is a nearly empty or full of incapable people.

What if its a loved one held hostage? What if they took out the pilots first before you could do anything?
#5 Nov 30 2005 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Maybe one day I'll be able to fly with my machete again...


Yeah, you never know when you might have to cut up some witches


Finally! Someone understands!
#6 Nov 30 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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What if they took out the pilots first before you could do anything?


In the months after 9/11 a lot of work went into assessing airline security practices. I don't think having pushy airport screeners was the only security recommendation to be put into practice.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1358697

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With federal air marshals on planes, bulletproof cockpit doors, armed pilots and 100 percent screening of checked baggage, the threat of a terrorist taking over an airplane has lessened since the 2001 attacks, the official said. The biggest concern now is explosives.
#7 Nov 30 2005 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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1)What if its a loved one held hostage? 2) What if they took out the pilots first before you could do anything?


1) Needs of the many out weight the needs of few. Thank you Mr. Spock!

2) duh. They have a radio on board. Push the button, and politely scream "OMGWTFH3LPN00bBBQW3W1LLD13one11one!!!"
Then, have the terrorist kill you for being a fu[b][/b]cking FF *****.
Next, Have someone intelligent get on the radio while they give simple instructions on how to reduce speed, angle for landing, flaps, landing gear, and bring her down.

NOTE: I'm not saying the plane will be all nice and pretty when she comes down. But it still can be done if your not a total tool.

EDIT: spelling, becuase I am a total tool. BIECHS!


Edited, Wed Nov 30 13:21:39 2005 by Molish
#8 Nov 30 2005 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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With federal air marshals on planes, bulletproof cockpit doors, armed pilots and 100 percent screening of checked baggage, the threat of a terrorist taking over an airplane has lessened since the 2001 attacks, the official said. The biggest concern now is explosives.


I feel all warm n fuzzy inside knowing the people who are caught drunk quite frequently now have full access to loaded firearms ...
#9 Nov 30 2005 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I feel all warm n fuzzy inside knowing the people who are caught drunk quite frequently now have full access to loaded firearms ...


Shi[b][/b]t, where you been? We been callin em "rednecks" for years.
#10 Nov 30 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
I flew with a lighter on my carry on.

Forgot it was there until I grabbed my smokes at the layover and found it >.>

But they took my nail clippers >.<
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#11 Nov 30 2005 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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Next, Have someone intelligent get on the radio while they give simple instructions on how to reduce speed, angle for landing, flaps, landing gear, and bring her down.


Are you implying that Joe sixpack, who is scared to death can land a 747 simply via radio instructions? You've been watching too many movies.
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#12 Nov 30 2005 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
I could do it.
#13 Nov 30 2005 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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The overall mentality of flying has changed since 9/11

prior to the tragedy, people assumed that if they just sit there and stayed quiet, everything will be all right. Now people are less concerned about personal safety and more worried about what the plane as a whole will be used for in the event of a hijacking.

So yes, as a previous poster mentioned, if someone pulls a pair of scissors or hell, even a knife, there is a good chance that the knife wielder will be overpowered by a number of passengers.
#14 Nov 30 2005 at 2:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hell, I'm ready to throw down when someone fails to return their seatback tray to an upright and locked position.
#15 Nov 30 2005 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
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Even if you decide to do this, why publicize it?
#16 Nov 30 2005 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Trying to build Christmas cheer, maybe. People ***** long and hard about TSA when it's not the holiday season. By easing restrictions as we hit the super-busy travel months they stand to generate some goodwill among travelers.

... as well as criticism from those wanting more security, of course, but you can't do any fuc[b][/b]king thing in this country without pissing somebody off.
#17 Nov 30 2005 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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So yes, as a previous poster mentioned, if someone pulls a pair of scissors or hell, even a knife, there is a good chance that the knife wielder will be overpowered by a number of passengers.


I'm not so sure that reasoning flies with me...

Seems highly unlikely to me that government, and the airline companies, would place the responsibility for something like this with the public. There's an exorbitant amount of liabilities with that, and beaurocracies hate liabilities.

I mean, can you really see them relying on this:

"In the event of an emergency, exits are located in the front and rear of the plane. And in the event of an attempted hijacking, the bravest of you may be called upon to attack said hijacker."

I mean, I can't think government and the companies would be so apathetic about the issue to say "ah, the passengers can probably handle any problem that arises." I'm sure there's some other safety net.

Using air marshalls or some other kind of new security means in the stead of banning small sharp objects makes a little more sense to me, I guess.

Edited, Wed Nov 30 15:27:40 2005 by Eske
#18 Nov 30 2005 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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I highly doubt the airmarshal will continue to sit in his seat should someone decide that Allah has blessed his spork and that he will use it to take over the plane.

even if they allow small sharp objects onto a plane, there are still many other security improvements that have been made.

These improvements in combination with a more proactive mentality would make small sharp objects less of a threat.
#19 Nov 30 2005 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Are you implying that Joe sixpack, who is scared to death can land a 747 simply via radio instructions? You've been watching too many movies.


reading comprehenson pwns j00!

Lets go over this slowly. first we cover point A.

Point A = a giant gaping ****** like you would fall under this catagory.
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"OMGWTFH3LPN00bBBQW3W1LLD13one11one!!!"
Then, have the terrorist kill you for being a fu[b][/b]cking FF *****.


Now we move to point B.

Point B = someone who has a level head, yet balls to simply stand up and say "I could do it" picks up the mike and carefully listens to the instructions given by the tower who DO practice for these types of senearios.

Still with me? Good, now lets move to point C.

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NOTE: I'm not saying the plane will be all nice and pretty when she comes down. But it still can be done if your not a total tool.


that means that while the plane my not be flyable after the incident, everyone makes it out no worse for wear.
#20 Nov 30 2005 at 4:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Point D = Visions of gumdrops, fairies, ticker tape parades, and action heros quickly give way to the all encompassing wall of flaming vaporized jet fuel melting the skin from your bones as the plane explodes through the control tower raining pieces of twisted death down on the unsuspecting town just beyond. Your only solace knowing that the as[/b]shole trying to tell you how to land a plane your not qualified to wash the wheelwells of is wheezing his last impaled on the very microphone that brought about your own doom
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#21 Nov 30 2005 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Your only solace knowing that the ******* trying to tell you how to land a plane your not qualified to wash the wheelwells of is wheezing his last impaled on the very microphone that brought about your own doom


Shadowrelm, dat j00?
#22 Nov 30 2005 at 9:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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"I'm fully licensed on Microsoft Flight Simulator!"

Last time I flew, I was suprised to arrive at my destination and find a corkscrew I had forgotten about in the carry-on bag. Had I known about it, I would have laid even odds that it wouldn't make it through screening.
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#23 Nov 30 2005 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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A lot of arguements have been that in this day and age, if anyone pulls a knife that they will immediatly over taken by the passengers. Might be true, unless your plane is a nearly empty or full of incapable people.


True enough Sora, but a main point of the 9/11 attacks and terrorism is to kill as many people as possible. It is known that the men involved specifically chose large, international flights that would have many people and lots of fuel to make big boom.

It must also be said that terrorists would have trouble pulling the same stunts because passengers would immediately think the plane would be crashed, as opposed to highjackings previous to 9/11 which were usually landed safely, but in a different location then planned.

And if anyone lets 5 guys take over a plane with scissors then they deserve what they get.
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