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#1 Nov 30 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bush's plan in total (PDF warning)

I'm just looking at it now but thought I'd share a link to it.
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#2 Nov 30 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good


I am scanning through the thing, but I have to leave for class in like 5 minutes, so I can't really read it. So far, I don't see anything that people didn't know already. Okay, so it says in the next year we will reduce troops over there, but that is followed by "we can't guarantee this."

Then again, I wasn't exactly expecting anything major out of the speech or the document.

#3 Nov 30 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
i skimmed thru it a bit...will read it later.

doesn't seem to be anything ground breaking. Nice use of bullets though.
#4 Nov 30 2005 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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If this is waht I listened to earlier, then I hope it reads better than Bush speaks it..

Edited, Wed Nov 30 10:57:19 2005 by Kelvyquayo
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#5 Nov 30 2005 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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If this is waht I listened to earlier, then I hoe it reads better than Bush speaks it..

Have you ever seen anything that didn't read better than he spoke it?
#6 Nov 30 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
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If this is waht I listened to earlier, then I hoe it reads better than Bush speaks it..

Have you ever seen anything that didn't read better than he spoke it?


Strategery.

always makes me giggle
#7 Nov 30 2005 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Strategery.

always makes me giggle

Ok, that and nukuler.
#8 Nov 30 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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The Table of Contents wrote:
Executive Summary

PART I
Strategic Overview

* Victory in Iraq Defined
* Victory in Iraq is a Vital U.S. Interest
* The Benefits of Victory in Iraq
* The Consequences of Failure
* Our Enemies and Their Goals
* The Strategy of Our Enemies
* Our Strategy for Victory is Clear
A. The Political Track (Isolate, Engage, Build)
B. The Security Track (Clear, Hold, Build)
C. The Economic Track (Restore, Reform, Build)
* This Strategy is Integrated, and its Elements are Mutually Reinforcing
* Victory Will Take Time
* Why Our Strategy Is (and Must Be) Conditions-Based
* Our Strategy Tracks and Measures Progress

PART II
Strategy in Detail

* The Political Track in Detail
* The Security Track in Detail
* The Economic Track in detail
* Organization for Victory

APPENDIX

* The Eight Pillars

I guess there's no end to propaganda. Smiley: laugh
#9 Nov 30 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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I guess there's no end to propaganda.

I'm just tickled to see that you can post that with not even a hint of irony.
#10 Nov 30 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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I guess there's no end to propaganda.

I'm just tickled to see that you can post that with not even a hint of irony.

How do you know it had no irony? Did you miss the smiley? Christ, Moe, do you even KNOW me? What do I have to do, parade around in my irony-colored lace panties holding a sign saying "I'm funning"?

Cause I'll need a minute, it that's the case.
#11 Nov 30 2005 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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What do I have to do, parade around in my irony-colored lace panties holding a sign saying "I'm funning"?

Are you new here? I have been lobbying for over a year now for pin-up shots of t3h flea. If I have to resort to out and out total and complete lack of a sense of humor in order to get you to parade anywhere near me in a pair of lace panties, do you really think that would be beneath me?!?
#12 Nov 30 2005 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
do you really think that would be beneath me?!?

Nah. I'd have to be on top.
#13 Nov 30 2005 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Nah. I'd have to be on top.

Dibs!
#14 Nov 30 2005 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Nadenue wrote:
Strategery.

always makes me giggle

Ok, that and nukuler.



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#15 Nov 30 2005 at 5:01 PM Rating: Default
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C'mon guys. Does the rhetoric and "find the black cloud in every silver lining" never stop?

Joph and I were just talking about this last week. We both agreed that "wouldn't it be nice if the administration spelled out exactly what our current goals in Iraq were, how that relates to exit strategy, and how we're doing towards meeting those goals", and amazingly enough (almost as though someone's watching us. hmmmm...) Bush comes up with this strategy writeup.


And it's still criticised. Sheesh. What exactly will satisfy you guys?
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#16 Nov 30 2005 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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And it's still criticised. Sheesh. What exactly will satisfy you guys?


If I knew just exactly what his "strategery" was.
#17 Nov 30 2005 at 5:17 PM Rating: Good
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And it's still criticised. Sheesh. What exactly will satisfy you guys?


If I knew just exactly what his "strategery" was.

Tee hee
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And it's still criticised. Sheesh. What exactly will satisfy you guys?
I still haven't read it deeply -- just skimmed over portions so I don't have many real criticisms or comments of any sort yet. But it is foolish to believe that the plan is exempt from criticism simply because Bush finally wrote it. A bad plan (if it is one) is a bad plan.

Edited, Wed Nov 30 17:19:36 2005 by Jophiel
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#19 Nov 30 2005 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
And it's still criticised. Sheesh. What exactly will satisfy you guys?
I still haven't read it deeply -- just skimmed over portions so I don't have many real criticisms or comments of any sort yet. But it is foolish to believe that the plan is exempt from criticism simply because Bush finally wrote it. A bad plan (if it is one) is a bad plan.



Yeah yeah yeah.

You know what's really funny? Not two days after we were discussing the whole "Bush needs to get more message out there on Iraq", I'm listening to some guy on the radio, and what does he say? Same thing. Something like. "What we need is for Bush to do something like what FDR did with his fireside chats".

I kid you not. We're like trendsetters or something...


Then again. I think they should find someone a bit more communication savvy to do such things. Bush is not exactly the best public speaker.


Oh heck. Heard a great joke last night. I *know* you'll get a kick out of it.


Bush and Rumsfeld are sitting in a briefing on Iraq. In the Briefing, Rumsfeld mentions that 4 Brazillian soldiers were killed in the last week's operations.

Bush looks shocked. He hangs his head down and begins crying. Rumsfeld is confused. Why is the president so sad about these soldiers? Maybe he's got some special love for Brazil or something. He decides to ask:

Rumsfield: Mr. President. Why are you so upset?

Bush: Oh. This is horrible. I can't believe this level of tragedy has struck! This is a black day for America!

Rumsfeld: ...

Bush: So. How many is a brazillian anyway?
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#21 Nov 30 2005 at 7:06 PM Rating: Good


Hehee...my dad told me that one a few weeks ago. So is this joke circulating liberal -and- conservative circles?

#22 Nov 30 2005 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
I was listening to Bush's Press Sec today on C-Span Radio and supposedly this isnt new just an unclass version of what the vision was since 2003.
#23 Nov 30 2005 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Hehee...my dad told me that one a few weeks ago. So is this joke circulating liberal -and- conservative circles?


Not sure. My Sisters Husband told it to me. He's a pretty firm Democrat, so I'd assume it's mostly circulating in Liberal circles.

Um. But it's a funny joke. Even the most hardcore Conservatives like a good Bush joke. Let's face it. I may agree with 90% of his policies, but the man himself is a great subject of humor.
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#24 Nov 30 2005 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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Um. But it's a funny joke. Even the most hardcore Conservatives like a good Bush joke. Let's face it. I may agree with 90% of his policies, but the man himself is a great subject of humor.

QFT.

I may like the policies, but I think the man comes off looking like a bigger idiot than Dan Quayle sometimes.
#25 Dec 01 2005 at 2:00 AM Rating: Good
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Just read the National Strategy for Victory In Iraq

Talk about disconnected from reality!

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Victory in Iraq is Defined in Stages
Short term, Iraq is making steady progress in fighting terrorists, meeting political milestones, building democratic institutions, and standing up security forces.
Medium term, Iraq is in the lead defeating terrorists and providing its own security, with a fully constitutional government in place, and on its way to achieving its economic potential.
Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.


And thats just the first para.

What with the civil war getting going good and proper now,

and the mullahs in iran just itching to get involved

and the obvious fact that it is the Iraqi people who are resisting the occupation of their country, i do wonder how bush can say
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and when our mission of defeating the terrorists in Iraq is complete, our troops will return home to a proud nation.
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I mean, honestly, does anyone in this admin really believe that the 'terrorists' are gonna give up, and say "ok, you win".

Does no one in the whitehouse have access to a book on military history? Did everyone at the W.House bunk off during Vietnam. If anyone can give me an example of an occupation by a foreign power that wasnt a constant source of death, misery and an ultimate failure, I'd love to hear about it.

Why do they seem to think it will be different this time?

If the plan all along was to oust Sadaam, hand what was left of the country over to an Iranian sponsored islamic dictatorship, create the biggest training camp for anti American bomb wielding nutters on the planet, supply said nutters with as much explosive and weapons they could loot, deastabilize the middle east to the point where Israel is gonna start firing off nukes in 'self defense', and generally create a situation whereby a surfer in Bali or commuter in London or madrid is worried sick about getting randomly blown up while minding their own business, then WELL DONE Mr Bush! mission accomplished!

If on the other hand the plan is to leave when
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Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
then i guess the troops are gonna be there till casualties become unsustainable. Because from as Bush stated yesterday,
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Some are calling for a deadline for withdrawal. Many advocating an artificial timetable for withdrawing our troops are sincere -- but I believe they're sincerely wrong. Pulling our troops out before they've achieved their purpose is not a plan for victory.
that doesnt sound like he's planning on leaving.

The question I think the war supporters should be asking, is, what is that purpose? because if it is to free Iraq from the terrorists ( excuse for being there #3 or 4), then by defining Iraqi citizens resisting an occupation as 'terrorists', comparing the situation today, to occupations of the past, then the Bushies are setting you (and the rest of us) up for an "Endless War" with no winners, just losers.


National Strategy for Victory In Iraq. I hardly think so....




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#26 Dec 01 2005 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I may like the policies, but I think the man comes off looking like a bigger idiot than Dan Quayle sometimes.


You may like his policies, but you can't like all the social liberties that are being stripped away due to the religious lackeys he puts in power.
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