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#1 Nov 30 2005 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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This has been allover the news (Arabic News) for the past week. Took me a long time to find the story on any American/EU medium. (Draw your conclusions).

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/29/britain.jazeera/index.html

#2 Nov 30 2005 at 12:37 AM Rating: Good
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That picture look photoshopped to anyone else? The text and some other edges are unnaturally crisp, it seems.

Edited, Wed Nov 30 00:40:12 2005 by Atomicflea
#3 Nov 30 2005 at 12:44 AM Rating: Decent
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You're kidding right? Who photoshopped it? Al-Jazeera? CNN? It's a picture of Al-Jazeera staff demostrating.... is it so hard to believe?

That's all besides the point anyway .... Jeez
#4 Nov 30 2005 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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GregoryTheWatcher wrote:
You're kidding right? Who photoshopped it? Al-Jazeera? CNN? It's a picture of Al-Jazeera staff demostrating.... is it so hard to believe?

That's all besides the point anyway .... Jeez

Climb down from your outrage step-stool, Clyde. Just an observation.
#5 Nov 30 2005 at 12:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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GregoryTheWatcher wrote:
(Draw your conclusions)
Ok, my conclusion is that you're as bad as Gbaji. Or that you just don't know how to search. It was a "front page" story on the CNN site. Hardly deeply hidden.
Chicago Tribune
FOX News
MSNBC
Associated Press
Reuters

It was in other papers and media outlets as well but mainly using the AP or Reuter wire stories so no sense in linking them all. I'll admit that FOX's coverage is anemic and flippant but I blame CNN for that. It's always CNN's fault.

Edited, Wed Nov 30 00:56:52 2005 by Jophiel
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Hmmmm..... The most powerful man in the "Free World", who -now it seems- attacked and invaded another country to free the oppressed and install a system of free politics/press, has proportedly "considered" bombing the HQ of the only "free" media outlet in the Middle East, just because it showed some of the dirty laundry.

The response:-

1- The photo of Al-Jazeera staff demonstrating seems photoshopped.

2- The OP doesn't know how to search, the story seems to be famous and widespread.

How about the topic at hand? For a change?
#7 Nov 30 2005 at 1:05 AM Rating: Default
you did tell me to draw a conclusion http://artpad.art.com/?iqr7ipj1yoc what? too literal? anyway that looks like photoshopped to me...and arent they arabic why are all their signs in English?
#8 Nov 30 2005 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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So people like you (who supposedly vote and have a democratic right to protest against their leaders' actions) can know what's going on, and for the record, the signs were written in Arabic and English.

Anyhow, here's a video clip from Al-Jazeera's website. Click the little handycam icon above the picture. It's in Arabic (Upon your request) but you'll get what's going on, I hope. Words like "Daily Mirror" , "Bush" , "America" , "Kofi Annan", will get repeated. Daily mirror is the newspaper that leaked the "classified" document, which Blair refused to comment (or deny).

http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/04AA822C-49CB-43B4-8D2D-A3DF342E1001.htm

P.S: if they clip doesnt automatically play, just refresh the little window.

Now back to the topic?
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2- The OP doesn't know how to search, the story seems to be famous and widespread.
Waah, waah. You're the one implying there's some media conspiracy. Don't cry about it when you're shown that there wasn't.

As for the story, I'd have to wait to learn more. Saying that Bush/Blair "considered" something isn't all that impressive. Lots of ideas get thrown around when people get together. Apparently the idea to bomb Al-Jazeera began and ended with "We could do this... Nah." No one has actual plans, no attempts were made, nothing. Half the people involved say it was obviously a joke, the other half aren't so sure.

I'm hardly a Bush apologist and I saw the story the day it popped up on CNN. I didn't post about it because, honestly, I don't see where it has traction. Find me hard evidence that Bush was targetting news agencies in Iraq and I'll be right in there hollering away. Right now it's all rather circumstantial.
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#10 Nov 30 2005 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Finally :).

You're right, I was under the impression that the story was ongoing (since it recieved heavy traction in Arabic media, still is), and wrongfully presumed that it would still be on western media outlets. You proved me wrong.

As for the issue itself:

Two men are being held on trial, British newspapers were threatened with getting sued, if they reveal anymore, and it's circumstantial?

The above proves that indeed it is a valid secret document that was leaked, and that contained damaging information about the public policies of the American/British governments.

Also Blair denying to comment or even say it's "ridiculous" doesn't help much.

As for saying "nothing was done, just some thoughts, then they said ...nahhh"

This isn't about if ALjazeera had a cruise missile with it's name on it, this was about two world leaders, who bandy about with "freedom of expression" and "the right of press" and "political representation", actually considering/discussing a proposition to bomb the HQ of a major news/media agency, bombing civilians in a neutral country which are reporters ....

Do you see how serious this is?

Imagine if the same had been "discussed" by Chinese/Russian officials (although they dont claim to be the liberators Bush & Blair claim to be) against a news agency in a neutral country (CNN for example), which exposed some of the things, that are happening during a war they are presently mingled in.

What would the reaction be?



Edited, Wed Nov 30 01:46:48 2005 by GregoryTheWatcher
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You're right, I was under the impression that the story was ongoing (since it recieved heavy traction in Arabic media, still is), and wrongfully presumed that it would still be on western media outlets.
It is. Mainly in the form of Britian's legal actions against the people spreading the memo. I linked to the actual story breaking. You can do your own homework from there. Suffice to say, there's no secret media conspiracy holding the story down.
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Two men are being held on trial, British newspapers were threatened with getting sued, if they reveal anymore, and it's circumstantial?

The above proves that indeed it is a valid secret document that was leaked, and that contained damaging information about the public policies of the American/British governments.
They're minutes from secret meetings. Hence, they are classified documents. Hence, divulging them is illegal. None of which has anything at all to do with proving whether or not B&B were looking to bomb Al-Jazeera. Britain's actions prove that it was indeed a classified document. They don't prove that there was a bona fide plot to bomb anyone.
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actually considering/discussing a proposition to bomb the HQ of a major news/media agency, bombing civilians in a neutral country which are reporters ....

Do you see how serious this is?
Without actual information about how deeply and seriously it was discussed? Not really. Did Bush respond to a comment about Al-Jazeera by saying "Sh[/i]it, we oughta bomb [i]them"? Did Bush say "Ok, none of this leaves this room but we need to seriously consider whether or not we should attempt to take out Al-Jazeera"? I don't know. I doubt you know. Until I do know, I can't get my knickers all that twisted. Sorry.

Edited, Wed Nov 30 02:00:54 2005 by Jophiel
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#13 Nov 30 2005 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Under what circumstances, would be discussing/suggesting that bombing a news Agency HQ, be "acceptable"?

Let's face it, the story didn't recieve traction because it would take people down roads they don't want to go, such as the road that says "maybe we're not as democratic and liberating ...-insert crap- and free and we think we are". It's easier to deem it as "a joke".

And this is coming from a news channel, that had 3 of it's personnel incarcerated illegally, by the US. Had two of its offices bombed (although the american forces knew very well, and recieved a detailed map of the whereabouts in question) and one of its staff killed by a direct US hit (he wasn't in a ditch behind enemy lines, he was typing a report in Al-Jazeera's office, in the middle of the area where most news agencies took "refuge").

Also, we reached the conclusion the indeed there was a classified "valid" document leaked. What was leaked? That Bush and Blair discussed bombing AlJazeera. How "Seriously" it was discussed is ridiculous, you'll never know. We'll either know if an F-16 bombs AJ-HQ , or if Bush and/or Blair actually come out and say : "Yes it was discussed, but it was a remote chance, and we didn't take it seriously but it was on the table" .... even then ....??

I can't believe that on a forum like this, people aren't raving about this story. Or is it because it's AL-Jazeera? The news agency that pretty much ended the western monopoly over pre-canned news-food?
#14 Nov 30 2005 at 4:57 AM Rating: Default
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I believe it's one of those cases that people just want to brush away into oblivion. It's almost if they have a "well we did so much for the world, we'll let this pass" mindset, rather than discussing it.

Is it a worrying development? Definitely. Will it ever recieve the attention it deserves? Doubtedly.

I agree with the assessment that it would take people down roads they don't want to go. It's a fearful and disheartening experience to re-think your convictions about your government, specially when it's related to the most fundamental principles of what we like to label as a Western Civilization.

I don't know what to say except: "Bush, Bad! Masses, Careless!"

But we know that already don't we?
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GregoryTheWatcher wrote:
Let's face it, the story didn't recieve traction because it would take people down roads they don't want to go, such as the road that says "maybe we're not as democratic and liberating ...-insert crap- and free and we think we are". It's easier to deem it as "a joke".
I find it hilarious that you keep saying that the media is refusing to run stories that might make Bush and Blair look bad. There's a hoarde of people out there in the U.S. who would love yet another story tearing down the administration. You honestly think the reason the story isn't screamed night and day is because it might make the U.S. people think perhaps we're being hypocritical? Are you familiar with the constant stories of prisoner abuse and torture?

Obviously you think it's a shock and horror to find out that people may have discussed the media as a target during a war. In whatever context. Ok, fine. I happen to disagree and am more concerned with what we've done than what may have been talked about. And I say "may" because, again, we have no idea exactly what was said. I'm not for attacking the media, but I'm not especially worked up about people mentioning it and deciding it's a shi[/i]tty idea. That's how you go about discarding sh[i]tty ideas.
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It would seem to me that this sort of broadcasting could be construed as inciting violence against our military and should be dealt with as any enemy tool of propaganda might; which includes the use of deadly force to silence them.
Yes and that's why no one here takes you seriously.
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#19 Nov 30 2005 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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GregoryTheWatcher wrote:

The response:-

hers wrote:
1- The photo of Al-Jazeera staff demonstrating seems photoshopped.


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2- The OP doesn't know how to search, the story seems to be famous and widespread.


Don't they make a cute couple.
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It's always fun hitting the rate button and watching posts fall off the screen.

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Huh.. and here I thought I did debate it with Gregory. Hell, I even did so without rabidly attacking Bush.

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Al Jazaera broadcasts live beheadings of their enemies
(a) No, they don't. They've aired clips of taped beheadings. Find me a single cite of them broadcasting a live beheading given that that would require them to have a cameraman there or at least provide the executors with a feed.
(b) "Their enemies"? Al Jazeera is at war? Who knew? Or is this part of your "Every Muslim is after us!" hand wringing?

Really, when you make two glaring errors in your first statement supporting an attack on Al Jazeera, I lose a lot of enthusiasm in "debating" it with you.
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#23 Nov 30 2005 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmmm..... The most powerful man in the "Free World", who -now it seems- attacked and invaded another country to free the oppressed and install a system of free politics/press, has proportedly "considered" bombing the HQ of the only "free" media outlet in the Middle East, just because it showed some of the dirty laundry.

The response:-

1- The photo of Al-Jazeera staff demonstrating seems photoshopped.
...How about the topic at hand? For a change?

Nah. Don't feel like it. That's one of the upshots of living in the "free world." I'm sure other people will come around to tell you how asinine and superficial you're being, but as for me, I'll just continue to hug the secret knowledge of it to myself like a toy chihuahua puppy and giggle occasionally about it behind the hand I cup over my Bonne Bell lipsmackered pout.

The puppy would be less yappy, but hey, no hapiness is complete.
#24 Dec 02 2005 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok, my conclusion is that you're as bad as Gbaji.

Woah, woah, woah. Easy there. Such an implication should not be made lightly. I submit that the amount of self deception and blind ignorance being shown here is at best a pelet gun to Gbaji's 100 megaton Czar Bomba.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if the story is true or not, does it?

Bush supporters at this point have to be zealots beyond any sort of logic or rational thought. They live in a completely subjective reality where any end prosiltized as "good" by this administration justifies any means, regardless of how corrupt or morraly bankrupt.

Lucky for us the US media was soft an compliant and didn't require any ordiance. I mean, there are a lot of Republicans who would have had to take one for the team down in Atlanta.

Well, at least Gbaji was right about Bush not cowtowing to the religous right in his choices of SCOTUS nominees.

Oh wait.

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