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#1 Nov 29 2005 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Reuters wrote:
LONDON, England (Reuters) -- C.S. Lewis, author of the classic children's "Narnia" books which are about to make their big screen debut, was "absolutely opposed" to a live action version of his stories, a newly published letter shows.
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[A] letter from Lewis, posted on the literary Web site Nthposition.com, revealed that he had strong feelings about how his book should be used.

"I am absolutely opposed -- adamant isn't in it! -- to a TV version," he wrote to BBC producer Lance Sieveking, who had created a radio version of his book which had met Lewis' approval.
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Although Lewis, who died in 1963, said he would have considered a cartoon version, his letter suggests he is unlikely to have approved of Disney's interpretation, particularly its computer-generated Aslan.

"Anthropomorphic animals, when taken out of narrative into actual visibility, always turn into buffoonery or nightmare -- at least with photography," he wrote.

"Cartoons (if only Disney did not combine so much vulgarity with his genius!) would be another matter. A human, pantomime, Aslan would be, to me, blasphemy."
I wonder if Lewis really would have been opposed to a CGI Aslan. Animation certainly doesn't prevent animals from being made into buffoons, see the horrible representations of Baloo and Bagheera from Disney's animated "Jungle Book" versus Kipling's noble interpretations. Of course, your other choice was to throw an actual lion on the set which almost invaribly ended up looking like people acting around a lion. Not really a choice when said lion is one of the main characters of the novel.

I'm not sure why Reuters would say "he would have considered a cartoon version, his letter suggests he is unlikely to have approved of Disney's interpretation, particularly its computer-generated Aslan" though -- CGI is animation. Just because it's not painted cells on sheets doesn't mean it's not drawn.

Anyway, looking forward to the film. I'm sure purists will find things to ***** about but for a guy like me who read the book ages ago, remebers the plot but isn't hung up on details, it's looking like a tasty treat.
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#2 Nov 29 2005 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
man walks into office, hey guys what popular book can we absolutely derride today, to the point of it being no longer respected at all and everyone hates it.

if C.S lewis had any objection about his book being made into a crappy con of a film, id understand why.

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#3 Nov 29 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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yohme wrote:
if C.S lewis had any objection about his book being made into a crappy con of a film, id understand why.
His objections seemed to be more abvout the medium, not the mere fact that it'd be made a film.

Ever see the animated LW&W? Not exactly a hallowed bit of cartooning, that yet Lewis said he'd potentially approve of an animated version.
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#4 Nov 29 2005 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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I've never read those books, but it's on my list of things to read soon.
#5 Nov 29 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
i remember when i used to watch that at a very young age, i loved it ><

it was just kept simple, without trying to be some big hit blockbuster as so many things are trying to do now.

i think his main problem is if this new movie falls into that kind of catagory
#6 Nov 29 2005 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good


I was just about to ask about the cartoon. I watched that thing a million times as a kid. It just isn't as well known I guess? My husband the movie buff had never heard of it *shrug*



#7 Nov 29 2005 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
i've read the books, I enjoyed them. Not to the point that I would consider them hallowed works of art that should never be portrayed on the big screen, however.

I'm excited for the movie. I tend to enjoy movies that are based on books that I've read since I can compare my mental imagery from reading the book to the movie and see how close they are.

Of course, after the movie, the mental imagery of reading the book is ALWAYS based on the movie again for me.

Another set of books I loved in elementary school was the Redwall series...I haven't read them in years, so they might be horrible written pieces of junk now, but I do remember immensly enjoying them in 4th and 5th grade.
#8 Nov 29 2005 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
I have not seen the movie, don't even know if its out yet. But fundamentally I have a concern with how the movie will treat the overt retelling of the crucifiction story in the movie. The books are about more than heroes and villains. By his own words we know that the Chronicles of Narnia, as well as his "Space Trilogy" (Perilandra, Out of the Silent Planet and That Hidious Strength), were attempts at retelling premier themes of the Christian tradition. How can movie studios hope to create the blockbusters they shoot for and remain true to the original intent and successes of the books?

I can completely understand Lewis's objection, as the character of Aslan is more than just a "hero" figure in the books. To him, anything that would make light of the underlying story would do nothing but cheapen the message he wrote in.
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yohme wrote:
it was just kept simple, without trying to be some big hit blockbuster as so many things are trying to do now.

i think his main problem is if this new movie falls into that kind of catagory
I think his main problem at the moment is his being dead for the last forty-odd years Smiley: grin

I don't blame Disney for wanting to make money off the movie -- that's why they make movies, after all. But I do think that LW&W was a fairly epic book that deserves a fairly epic treatment to match what I felt when I first read it. And, honestly, I don't think that could have been well done without today's technology.

Which was my inital point: I think that taking the letter in any modern context is unfair simply because the methods used didn't exist in Lewis's time and he may well have been impressed as all hell with the CGI Aslan for all Reuters knows.
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
I have not seen the movie, don't even know if its out yet. But fundamentally I have a concern with how the movie will treat the overt retelling of the crucifiction story in the movie.
It's not out for another week or so but all the reports I've read indicate that Disney is very aware of the fine line they're treading between Fantasy and Faith in this tale. They're trying to market it to Christians via the well known allegory and to the secular market as an epic tale. How well they do is anyone's guess (I've only seen previews) but they definately didn't set out to make it as a pure fantasy tale.
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#11 Nov 29 2005 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Im going to have to agree with Moebius on this one. I seriously doubt Lewis' main concern was seeing Aslan on the big screen. Rather, he didn't want Hollywood destroying the Christian symbolism of Aslan.
#12 Nov 29 2005 at 11:00 AM Rating: Default
Damnit! You broke the screen!
#13 Nov 29 2005 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
how was aslan a christian symbol?
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FYI, the full text of the letter the story is based on:

(Why do you ‘Dr’ me? Had we not dropped the honorifics?) As things worked out, I wasn’t free to hear a single instalment of our serial [The Magician’s Nephew] except the first. What I did hear, I approved. I shd. be glad for the series to be given abroad. But I am absolutely opposed – adamant isn’t in it! – to a TV version. Anthropomorphic animals, when taken out of narrative into actual visibility, always turn into buffoonery or nightmare. At least, with photography. Cartoons (if only Disney did not combine so much vulgarity with his genius!) wld. be another matter. A human, pantomime, Aslan wld. be to me blasphemy.

All the best,
yours
C. S. Lewis
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#15 Nov 29 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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So once again, I heard that idiot religious people are protesting the whole thing because of it's "pagan-ish" imagery.Smiley: laugh

FOOLS!

I believe they did the same thing with the original books.



Anyway, Tolkien disapproved of Lord of the Rings being made in a live film.
Of course it was the Beatles who were going to do itSmiley: grin
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Spoiler Alert:

Highlight to read --
Aslan allowed himself to be tortured and then killed in order to save (as he calls the children) the "Sons of Adam" and "Daughters of Eve". He then rises three days later as his selfless act prevents the Witch from claiming his death.
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#17 Nov 29 2005 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
oh i see now, i think when i watched the cartoon i was too young to see anything but what was surface deep.
#18 Nov 29 2005 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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how was aslan a christian symbol?

Quite simply, the story of the sacrifice of Aslan is an allegorical retelling of the crucifiction of Christ. This is not really open for debate as the writer himself stated as much.

For those who don't know, C. S. Lewis is considered by many to be one of the fore most lay-theologians of the 20th century. His writings delve in to a great many Christian conundrums and issues. Some of his apologetics are quite masterful in their odd angle approach to sticky propositions in the christian faith. As a child I particulary enjoyed The Screwtape Letters and some of his other fiction, but there is a considerable library available of Paul-esque "letters" written to address specific concerns as well.
#19 Nov 29 2005 at 11:15 AM Rating: Excellent
I liked the trailer, it did not dissapoint me at all Smiley: smile
#20 Nov 29 2005 at 11:18 AM Rating: Default
i slapped myself in the face when i saw the trailer, thinking, not again
#21 Nov 29 2005 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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I still have nightmares from watching the old pre-computer BBC version of the story.

The youngest sister was just *so* ugly.. brrr!
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#22 Nov 29 2005 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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since all the rendered stuff is basically just a 3d cartoon, I think it qualifies as ok =P
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#23 Nov 29 2005 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
Link to the website if anyone is interested:

http://adisney.go.com/disneypictures/narnia/main.html

I'm really looking forward to it. Any word on if they're going to do any others? Voyage of the Dawn Treader would be fun to see.
#24 Nov 29 2005 at 11:54 AM Rating: Default
i fail to see the appeal
#25 Nov 29 2005 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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i slapped myself in the face when i saw the trailer, thinking, not again

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i fail to see the appeal

Well, thanks for sharing with us. Personally I fail to see the appeal of continued attempts to insert yourself in to a situation in which you are quite obviously not needed, wanted or appreciated, but then again I haven't been a bald sacked pre-teen douchebag in almost 2 decades, so the logic is sort of lost on me.
#26 Nov 29 2005 at 12:08 PM Rating: Default
by the "i fail to see the appeal comment" i was merely looking for someone to say what it was that appealed to them about the movie, i wasnt asserting an opinion.

and as for the drawl of insults

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