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“learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaida members in bomb-making and poisons and gas.” - President Bush October of 2002 Cincinnati

“a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s.” Di[b][/b]ck Cheney September 2003 on Meet the Press

Why cite these examples when Bush later publicly stated that there was no link between Saddam Hussein and September 11th?

Because on September 21th 2001 the President Bush and his top staff were given a briefing. The Whitehouse refused to make public this briefing or even allow access to it to the Senate Intelligence Committee. However the details of that briefing has recently come to light and been confirmed by officials. The briefing included the following tidbits (Gonna copy+paste some of these):

a)That there absolutely no credible evidence linking Saddam to the events of 9/11.

b)That there was no evidence of any link between Al-qaida and Saddam Hussein.

c) Saddam is said to have viewed al-Qaida as a threat, rather than a potential ally. The few believable reports of contact between Iraq and al-Qaida “involved attempts by Saddam Hussein to monitor the terrorist group”. Saddam considered al-Qaida “as well as other theocratic radical Islamist organizations as a potential threat to his secular regime,”.


So on Sept 21, 2001 Bush and his top administration officials were made aware during the Presidential Daily Briefing that Saddam was in no way linked with 9/11 and that he actually viewed Al-qaeda as a potential threat.

If you look at the record it is obvious as Gbaji has stated that not once did a Bush adminstration official clearly and decisively say "Saddam was involved in the attacks". That has never happened. What did happen is that it became the Bush administration mantra to repeatedly allude to intelligence that linked Al-Qaeda and Iraq. Furthermore it was their policy to withhold any and all information that showed taht said links between iraq and al-qaeda were false and to also withhold evidence that showed that Saddam and Al-qaeda were actually at odds with one another.

That is how the nation was mislead. The senate in no way had the same access to intelligence that President Bush had. In fact they were dependant upon Bush on giving them information. If Bush withheld information and expounded information that he knew was shoddy in order to support his war I do not see how you could view it in any other way than misleading.

"How the nation was mislead" is niether here nor there for the simple fact that "the people of the nation did not declare war on iraq, congress did."

So, the nation had what say in all this? Absolutely none in the first place. I think that sucks, but still, nonetheless, it does not change, nor will it change anything now. The most you can hope for is that bush gets dethroned in the next election.



I don't understand how these two quotes elude to any connections between Saddam Hussain and Al-Qaida. Those in this nation who care know Hussain and Al-Qaida did not ever have a hand to hand relationship. Those in this nation who care also know Hussain had nothing to do with 9/11. The congressional war on Hussain was for entirely independant reasons. The congressional war on terror was/is held chiefly in Iraq because that country is the terrorists main area of operation.



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I guess I do not understand your view point. I see no significance in the time laps between sep 11 and sep 21, 2001 that elludes to the nation being mislead, including reports therein.

Edited, Thu Nov 24 18:35:57 2005 by fishermanbmr

You are aware that we are a republic, right?

Actually, we can't hope for that. The constitution forbids him from running again.

Amendment XXII:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

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Isn't it "misled"?

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Where do I sign up, you hot, southern, piece of ***?

I have to edit this, meaning, my statements are meant to point out my personal beliefs. As far as facts go, and we being a Republic, I don't like to think false statements are enough information for a republic to cast it's own vote and decide what is best for it's country. Todays (our nations) outcome of events in the middle east are a testiment to this.

You realize though that governments are essentially forced to lie though? They're not entirely the filth people enjoy making them out to be.

If you tell people the truth there's a high chance they'll either panic or misunderstand and do something that ultimately hurts themselves.

Most people who feel strongly about government, for or against, are compelte idiots.

I agree. Your statements are part of the reason why I, myeslf am not a huge political guru. I get any articles dealing with political debates here in the asylum. Quite frankly, I should not be posting opinions concerning such articles, but I was just trying to get some brownie points.

Like my posts underlying message, the point I am trying to make is that the people do not get to vote on whats truely right/wrong for this country. Of course we get to vote, on bullshlt like what such and such state will use x amount of dollars on to add influx to it's economy and so on and so forth. But the matters at hand, the articles that matter most, like when and whom we go to war with for whatever reason we have no say in. All we can do as a people is jump to iether side and support a view.

Me either. But when one government manipulates tens of thousands of another governments civilians into their graves through reckless bombing during a war that was founded on lies, I see something wrong with that.

We may not have a vote on every little issue, but we do have a voice and elected politicans know it.

The more we Americans learn what the President and his staff actually knew and kept from us, the more our Congressman and Senators will presure the Whitehouse about the War in Iraq. Why, because many of them are up for re-election in a year and know which way the wind is blowing.

We need to take the lessons learn in Vietam and work on an exit stragey that will allow us to end the war and bring our troops home, before the casualties get worst.

For all you Pubbies who go about how few casulties there have been in Iraq, should try to remember that for every life lost or veteran who comes home wounded, the goverment provide benefits to families of the fallen and the disable vets. No politian wants to say they are against taking care of those who serve our country during war time. Look at all the attention WWII, Korean and Vietam Vets got in the last major election.

As I watch the Bush adminisration crumble, I wonder if and when Congress will finally say enough and bring impeachment procedings again Bush. May he be the first President actually impeached.

You are correct, and I had no idea you were into ****.


+1 Nadenu

My mistake. I felled in the trap of forgeting that an impeachment by congress is only part of the process.

Both Johnson and Clinton were able to surive a senate vote to convict them. Johnson by just one vote and the Repubicans were unable to get the 2/3th majority needed to convict Clinton.

Compare to them, Bush has in my opinion done far worst. Sadly it's far easier to convict a person in Washington for lying then for acts of War. My mom used to go on and on about how we had enough against Nixon to impeach him on the fact that he never ask Congress to declare war against Cambodia and Laos. Then you have to remember Vietam was offically police action not a war, too. Blame game for our involment in Southeast Asia, can go back several admistrations.

I feel like a little Dead or Alive right now...

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Right round like a record, baby
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You spin me right round, baby
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