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Heh-hem.
The latest topic of study in my philosophy class is 'Spirits'. Y'know demons, restless dead and all that stuff.
We were watching a video about exorcism's and in some person's house the found tarot cards in floorboards and a Ouija board buried in the garden. So the house was haunted. The usual, odd noises, cold spots etc.
Let me tell you a little about the family in the video. White Trash. 9 Kids. Huge Mother and a Father with a mullet. So I was a tad skeptical to say the least.
In order to get rid of these 'spirits' they get a priest who specialises in exorcism's. Apparently their is at least one trained exorcist in every diocese in Britain. And their are 12 in the town of York.
Anyway, all I really wanted to know has anyone ever had experiences with Ghosts, or does anyone believe in them for that matter? I personally don't believe in hauntings and ghosts but it's obvious that a few people do.
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I believe that Philosophy was the biggest waste of my time during my college tenure.
Looks like things haven't changed in that respect.
Looks like things haven't changed in that respect.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
I believe in them but that doesnt mean I believe every story or article that comes out. Sounds to me like this particular story may have been more for their 15 minutes of fame than a genuine possibility
I see dead people.
Never seen a ghost myself, but lots of people who work in the hotel I'm employed at have witnessed them. It was when a guest checked out in a hurry one morning, and described one of the ghosts that the employees have been describing for years to the GM, that I actually started beleiving.
That and the dude died in a fire here. I don't know why he'd hang around. Unless he's pissed. But he hasn't done anything to really show us that he's pissed >.>
That and the dude died in a fire here. I don't know why he'd hang around. Unless he's pissed. But he hasn't done anything to really show us that he's pissed >.>
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
I believe that there are things we don't understand and can't explain.
I've seen things a couple of times in my life that I'm certain were real in contradiction to all measurable evidence afterwards. My set of beliefs allow for that, so nothing has really unhinged me or "changed my life forever!"
Then again, if a flying saucer landed in my yard and disgorged a half dozen little green men, I'd find myself in quite the quandary.
On the one hand I've love to be an ambassador for Earth, but on the other I'm only halfway through researching laser pistols and I've already got my first sectoid base invasion. I might get lucky and capture a navigator in the first month. Where's my motion detector and stun rod?
I've seen things a couple of times in my life that I'm certain were real in contradiction to all measurable evidence afterwards. My set of beliefs allow for that, so nothing has really unhinged me or "changed my life forever!"
Then again, if a flying saucer landed in my yard and disgorged a half dozen little green men, I'd find myself in quite the quandary.
On the one hand I've love to be an ambassador for Earth, but on the other I'm only halfway through researching laser pistols and I've already got my first sectoid base invasion. I might get lucky and capture a navigator in the first month. Where's my motion detector and stun rod?
Ghosts and all that crap.
Hmmm...
I've lived enough to know that there is a lot I don't know, and seen enough that I didn't understand to understand that there is more to everything than my tiny part of it.
As for what all of it is or means?
Not my goddam problem, or my function.
Yeah, all this stuff has been around since the beginning, and always will be.
What difference does it make?
None.
People that spend their lives chasing after these phantoms always make me feel bad for them.
-Nagafen
Hmmm...
I've lived enough to know that there is a lot I don't know, and seen enough that I didn't understand to understand that there is more to everything than my tiny part of it.
As for what all of it is or means?
Not my goddam problem, or my function.
Yeah, all this stuff has been around since the beginning, and always will be.
What difference does it make?
None.
People that spend their lives chasing after these phantoms always make me feel bad for them.
-Nagafen
I am a little skeptical. I have had 2 "abnormal" experiances in my life.
1) Most recent; about 5 or 6 months ago. I am asleep in my bed with the Mrs. and the cat. I am awaken at about 2 am by a loud knocking on the wall across the room. I was asleep and woke up so I thought it was in my dreams. The next night around the same time, I woke up and while trying to fall back asleep I hear the same exact knock. This time my Girlfriend woke up and asked what was that noise.
So two nights in a row and was heard by both of us. Now our neighbor shares the same wall in their bedroom. That part of the wall though is inside their closet and there are firewalls between our apartments. So it was not them, besides the knock came from the our side of the wall. It was three very loud knocks but it did not freak out the cat, who is extremely skiddish. I call it the Death Knock Ghost and we have yet to figure it out. It has not happened since and besides that our apartment has been incident free for 2 years.
2) This is the creepiest shi[/b]t ever. In my old house when I was 12 or so, I had a run in with something extrodinary. Again, a "spirit" free house prior and after this incident. I had bunk beds and slept on the top. Diagonally from where my head rests across the room is my dresser where I would put my glasses before I slept. My bed was along the wall that my door was on so I could look out into the hallway and see my parents room.
So one night I am restless and I hear my parents door open. It was my father and he walked out to the kitchen for a drink or something. I lay back down and try again to fall sleep. I open my eyes and see a black "figure" hovering in front of my dresser. It seemed as though it was going through the stuff on my dresser. My father is still in the kitchen because I can hear him opening the fridge and what not. So I am staring at this figure who is no more then 8 feet away. I am scared shi[b]tless but for some reason I say "Hello?"
Immediatly the figure spins around and floats over to the side of bed (top bunk) and stares me in the face. I closed my eyes and froze. I open again to see it leave the room go through the semi open door of my parents room. I hear my mom let out a gasp, the kind you make if you are suddenly awaken, then the door closed. I am griped with fear and can not move. Moments later my father comes back up the hallway and goes back into the bedroom. He closed the door and that was it. I finally calmed down and fell back asleep.
I awake not believing what I saw until I go to my dresser and my glasses are gone. I ask both my parents if they have seen them, they said no. So I head to school in an old pair for the next week. I come home that Friday and see my glasses sitting on the kitchen table. I call my mom and ask her where she found them. She said they were there when she left the house that morning.
Umm WTF....
I ask my mom is she was awaken the other night by anything and she said no. This "figure" rummaged through my dresser responded to my "Hello" entered my parents room, statled my mother, who feel right back asleep and then just dissapeared. Only to have my glasses be returned 5 days later on the kitchen table. Yeah that is some creepy stuff.
1) Most recent; about 5 or 6 months ago. I am asleep in my bed with the Mrs. and the cat. I am awaken at about 2 am by a loud knocking on the wall across the room. I was asleep and woke up so I thought it was in my dreams. The next night around the same time, I woke up and while trying to fall back asleep I hear the same exact knock. This time my Girlfriend woke up and asked what was that noise.
So two nights in a row and was heard by both of us. Now our neighbor shares the same wall in their bedroom. That part of the wall though is inside their closet and there are firewalls between our apartments. So it was not them, besides the knock came from the our side of the wall. It was three very loud knocks but it did not freak out the cat, who is extremely skiddish. I call it the Death Knock Ghost and we have yet to figure it out. It has not happened since and besides that our apartment has been incident free for 2 years.
2) This is the creepiest shi[/b]t ever. In my old house when I was 12 or so, I had a run in with something extrodinary. Again, a "spirit" free house prior and after this incident. I had bunk beds and slept on the top. Diagonally from where my head rests across the room is my dresser where I would put my glasses before I slept. My bed was along the wall that my door was on so I could look out into the hallway and see my parents room.
So one night I am restless and I hear my parents door open. It was my father and he walked out to the kitchen for a drink or something. I lay back down and try again to fall sleep. I open my eyes and see a black "figure" hovering in front of my dresser. It seemed as though it was going through the stuff on my dresser. My father is still in the kitchen because I can hear him opening the fridge and what not. So I am staring at this figure who is no more then 8 feet away. I am scared shi[b]tless but for some reason I say "Hello?"
Immediatly the figure spins around and floats over to the side of bed (top bunk) and stares me in the face. I closed my eyes and froze. I open again to see it leave the room go through the semi open door of my parents room. I hear my mom let out a gasp, the kind you make if you are suddenly awaken, then the door closed. I am griped with fear and can not move. Moments later my father comes back up the hallway and goes back into the bedroom. He closed the door and that was it. I finally calmed down and fell back asleep.
I awake not believing what I saw until I go to my dresser and my glasses are gone. I ask both my parents if they have seen them, they said no. So I head to school in an old pair for the next week. I come home that Friday and see my glasses sitting on the kitchen table. I call my mom and ask her where she found them. She said they were there when she left the house that morning.
Umm WTF....
I ask my mom is she was awaken the other night by anything and she said no. This "figure" rummaged through my dresser responded to my "Hello" entered my parents room, statled my mother, who feel right back asleep and then just dissapeared. Only to have my glasses be returned 5 days later on the kitchen table. Yeah that is some creepy stuff.
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Ghosts and all that crap.
Hmmm...
I've lived enough to know that there is a lot I don't know, and seen enough that I didn't understand to understand that there is more to everything than my tiny part of it.
As for what all of it is or means?
Not my goddam problem, or my function.
Yeah, all this stuff has been around since the beginning, and always will be.
What difference does it make?
None.
People that spend their lives chasing after these phantoms always make me feel bad for them.
-Nagafen
Hmmm...
I've lived enough to know that there is a lot I don't know, and seen enough that I didn't understand to understand that there is more to everything than my tiny part of it.
As for what all of it is or means?
Not my goddam problem, or my function.
Yeah, all this stuff has been around since the beginning, and always will be.
What difference does it make?
None.
People that spend their lives chasing after these phantoms always make me feel bad for them.
-Nagafen
Nag, you seriously need to work on the flow of your poetry
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About 18 years ago my friend and I saw what I guess I would call a ghost, apperision, whatever. We were working security for a construction site. It was an old school that was going to be turn into office space. It was early evening the sun was getting low and I was walking with my friend who had arrieved early for his shift and we were walking around the rear of the building.
Kids had been breaking in to party on the second floor, so when we saw this kid in the 2nd floor window, we thought it was some kid ******** around. I stayed and watched the kid so I could tell my friend which way he ran, while my friend went in to get him. The room the kid was in was a big open space, probably the old lunch room or something. It had 2 doors both opening to the main hall on the second floor. I watched the kid wave to me until he just vanished maybe 2 seconds before my friend appeared in the window asking which way the kid ran. There was no way the kid could have ran anywhere my friend couldn't see him in the few seconds between seeing the kid vanish and my friend appear in the window. It was a big empty room. No place to hide and the kid would have had to run past my friend or jump out the window to exit the room.
It was kinda freaky.
Kids had been breaking in to party on the second floor, so when we saw this kid in the 2nd floor window, we thought it was some kid ******** around. I stayed and watched the kid so I could tell my friend which way he ran, while my friend went in to get him. The room the kid was in was a big open space, probably the old lunch room or something. It had 2 doors both opening to the main hall on the second floor. I watched the kid wave to me until he just vanished maybe 2 seconds before my friend appeared in the window asking which way the kid ran. There was no way the kid could have ran anywhere my friend couldn't see him in the few seconds between seeing the kid vanish and my friend appear in the window. It was a big empty room. No place to hide and the kid would have had to run past my friend or jump out the window to exit the room.
It was kinda freaky.
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I would have to say that it is highly unlikly that ghost exist in the manner in which must people tend to "beleave" they do,
Ghost for one are not supported in either, western religion nor modern science,
And it seem the only real witnesses of such things are those that end up on Jerry Springeror or some trashy tabloid,
More commonly people see or hear something they cant explain and tend to beleave they've seen something extraordinary rather than realizing its just the house settling or they where still actually asleep a few seconds ago.
Demons on the other hand are supported in religion, but not in science, though according to what information is available you have to invite them, so you get what you ask for, and the vast majority of us are safe from such things, and will never see extraordinary events in our life time
Ghost for one are not supported in either, western religion nor modern science,
And it seem the only real witnesses of such things are those that end up on Jerry Springeror or some trashy tabloid,
More commonly people see or hear something they cant explain and tend to beleave they've seen something extraordinary rather than realizing its just the house settling or they where still actually asleep a few seconds ago.
Demons on the other hand are supported in religion, but not in science, though according to what information is available you have to invite them, so you get what you ask for, and the vast majority of us are safe from such things, and will never see extraordinary events in our life time
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I would have to say that it is highly unlikly that ghost exist in the manner in which must people tend to "beleave" they do,
Ghost for one are not supported in either, western religion nor modern science,
And it seem the only real witnesses of such things are those that end up on Jerry Springeror or some trashy tabloid,
More commonly people see or hear something they cant explain and tend to beleave they've seen something extraordinary rather than realizing its just the house settling or they where still actually asleep a few seconds ago.
Demons on the other hand are supported in religion, but not in science, though according to what information is available you have to invite them, so you get what you ask for, and the vast majority of us are safe from such things, and will never see extraordinary events in our life time
Ghost for one are not supported in either, western religion nor modern science,
And it seem the only real witnesses of such things are those that end up on Jerry Springeror or some trashy tabloid,
More commonly people see or hear something they cant explain and tend to beleave they've seen something extraordinary rather than realizing its just the house settling or they where still actually asleep a few seconds ago.
Demons on the other hand are supported in religion, but not in science, though according to what information is available you have to invite them, so you get what you ask for, and the vast majority of us are safe from such things, and will never see extraordinary events in our life time
so what youre saying is you believe that demons are real but spirits or ghosts are not? I was always under the impression that ghosts are believed in the Cjristian Church as it mentioned one in the Old Testament. And I KNOW religion believes in spirits
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so what youre saying is you believe that demons are real but spirits or ghosts are not? I was always under the impression that ghosts are believed in the Cjristian Church as it mentioned one in the Old Testament. And I KNOW religion believes in spirits
I think you should go and re-read the old testament, and change "I KNOW" to "I THINK" or even better "I WOULD LIKE TO THINK"
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By the father, the son, and the holy spirit, amen.
hummmmm....
Here's a nice question:
Assuming that spirits exist...
Ghosts, Demons, Human Souls, ect...
Would they actually be like different "races" of beings?
OR
is the only difference between all entities merely based upon thier surrounding "state" in the universe, and all have the potential to be somthing else?
Assuming that spirits exist...
Ghosts, Demons, Human Souls, ect...
Would they actually be like different "races" of beings?
OR
is the only difference between all entities merely based upon thier surrounding "state" in the universe, and all have the potential to be somthing else?
I don't exactly believe in Ghosts but i have had a couple of experiances that i couldn't explain.
Both witnessed so it's not like i was self deluding or anything like that.
The first was when i was about 14 or 15 walking with my best frind back to his house from school, we walked past some random guy as we took a short cut (same one we had taken for the previous 2 years since it was the same route back from school.) all of a sudden i had the feeling of pure and undiluted evil.
I mean the hairs on the back of my neck stood up on end and i felt an almost physical blow, it would appear that both of us did because we both shouted NO!! at the same time and took off like startled Gazelles, either that dude was seriously wrong in some way or he thought WE where a pair of nutters, happily i was and am faster over the ground than my mate so he would have found out first
Never could explain how i knew there was something wrong with that guy and i doubt i ever will, but if that story ever gets mentioned we both go rather quiet and try to change topics.
The second time was when i was 23 and i was staying at the same guys house for xmas since i was on leave from the Navy and i had nowhere to stay since my parents had run off to the sun rather than face another cold English Winter.
We had a couple of beers, and talked sh*t as people do when they stay in the same room after no seeing each other for months, i woke up at 3:15 to see a figure bending over me from the window side of the room, (i was lying on a inflatable bed on the foor) i could in the instant i was aware of it that it was clearly a figure with the siloette marked against the moonlight behind it.
I took a swing at it and hit nothing, so i the really put my shoulder into the second one (by this time fully awake) and hit the wall behind where the shape was, this worrieds my somewhat and i scambled way from what ever it was waking my friend who said and i quote "What the **** is that!" he then hit the sidelamp to reveal an empty room and a deshevilled looking Sailor!
Ghost? who knows i doubt it, but i can't explain it rationally, but then i can't explain why people believe Jesus was the "son of God" rationally either so it doesn't say much does it.
Both witnessed so it's not like i was self deluding or anything like that.
The first was when i was about 14 or 15 walking with my best frind back to his house from school, we walked past some random guy as we took a short cut (same one we had taken for the previous 2 years since it was the same route back from school.) all of a sudden i had the feeling of pure and undiluted evil.
I mean the hairs on the back of my neck stood up on end and i felt an almost physical blow, it would appear that both of us did because we both shouted NO!! at the same time and took off like startled Gazelles, either that dude was seriously wrong in some way or he thought WE where a pair of nutters, happily i was and am faster over the ground than my mate so he would have found out first
Never could explain how i knew there was something wrong with that guy and i doubt i ever will, but if that story ever gets mentioned we both go rather quiet and try to change topics.
The second time was when i was 23 and i was staying at the same guys house for xmas since i was on leave from the Navy and i had nowhere to stay since my parents had run off to the sun rather than face another cold English Winter.
We had a couple of beers, and talked sh*t as people do when they stay in the same room after no seeing each other for months, i woke up at 3:15 to see a figure bending over me from the window side of the room, (i was lying on a inflatable bed on the foor) i could in the instant i was aware of it that it was clearly a figure with the siloette marked against the moonlight behind it.
I took a swing at it and hit nothing, so i the really put my shoulder into the second one (by this time fully awake) and hit the wall behind where the shape was, this worrieds my somewhat and i scambled way from what ever it was waking my friend who said and i quote "What the **** is that!" he then hit the sidelamp to reveal an empty room and a deshevilled looking Sailor!
Ghost? who knows i doubt it, but i can't explain it rationally, but then i can't explain why people believe Jesus was the "son of God" rationally either so it doesn't say much does it.
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