"I think that the mothers who allow their kids to run around and scream, that's wrong, but kids scream and there is nothing you can do about it. What are we supposed to do, not enjoy ourselves at a cafe?"
What is your standard for acceptable behavior in public as far as your (and other peoples') kids are concerned? Do you have a "right" to bring your kids to a neighborhood restaurant, and to remain there even if they're being the disruptive toddlers you know and love?
Are you or would you be offended if a staff member asked you to control your kid or take him outside until he calms down?
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Once a child reaches a certain age wether they scream and holler in public is a result of parenting. Spoil your child too much and this will be the outcome.
Inregards to toddlers and younger there is not much you can do to keep them from screaming at times. Most people for those first couple years find a babysitter when they go out or they just stay home more during those times.
So my opinion would be at places like a supermarket that people must go others just need to deal with it when there are others around them with small childern, but as for Movies and Resturants I do not believe others should have to listen to someone elses child scream through thier whole meal or movie. The other people are there for thier relaxation and time away and should not have to deal someones elses child ruining that for them.
Edited, Mon Nov 21 15:22:55 2005 by Proroc
Inregards to toddlers and younger there is not much you can do to keep them from screaming at times. Most people for those first couple years find a babysitter when they go out or they just stay home more during those times.
So my opinion would be at places like a supermarket that people must go others just need to deal with it when there are others around them with small childern, but as for Movies and Resturants I do not believe others should have to listen to someone elses child scream through thier whole meal or movie. The other people are there for thier relaxation and time away and should not have to deal someones elses child ruining that for them.
Edited, Mon Nov 21 15:22:55 2005 by Proroc
I make my son sit with us the entire time we're out. Also, he is made to be quiet (as quiet as can be expected with a 3 year old). If he's totally out of control, we'll get our food to go and leave. It drives me nuts to see parents who let their kids do whatever the hell they want, just so the parents can have a bit of "quiet time". The restaurant is not there to babysit your child. If you need a nice quiet dinner, get a sitter for your child.
My son is now 6 weeks old and we've taken him out to eat once, and only because we lost power. We made sure we went to an extremely loud restaurant so that his screaming wouldn't disrupt anyone.
It is rude and plain selfish to impose a misbehaving younster on everyone else. People go out to eat at nice restaurants to relax and unwind. They purpously find babysitters for their children so that they can get an hour or two in peace, why should they have to listen to my kid scream because I didn't have the courtesy to do the same?
Screaming kids have their places; parks, chucky cheese, playgrounds, even the ball room at many fast food restuarants.
Kids don't know any better, they aren't doing it to be malicious. It's up to the parents to ensure that they act accordingly to the suroundings they are in. It's part of being a good parent and a good human being.
It is rude and plain selfish to impose a misbehaving younster on everyone else. People go out to eat at nice restaurants to relax and unwind. They purpously find babysitters for their children so that they can get an hour or two in peace, why should they have to listen to my kid scream because I didn't have the courtesy to do the same?
Screaming kids have their places; parks, chucky cheese, playgrounds, even the ball room at many fast food restuarants.
Kids don't know any better, they aren't doing it to be malicious. It's up to the parents to ensure that they act accordingly to the suroundings they are in. It's part of being a good parent and a good human being.
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I doubt you'll get many to admit they're content to let their rug monkeys run amok but obviously time spent in public will show you otherwise.
I'm blessed in that my child is actually pretty well-behaved by nature (DSD can vouch for me, having met him and had dinner with him) but he's still six and prone to acting like a six year old. I have a pretty low threshold for acting out in public like that so I keep a tight leash on him. My sister I'm sure would say the same about her kid but I know from experience she'll let him go on long after I would have jerked the kid into the parking lot and it's a trial of will for me to bite my tongue.
Anyway, I fail to understand why some of these people can't go somewhere more appropriate. I know it's not as trendy as the local café but McDonald's serves coffee and salads and has a whole section set aside specifically for your kids to act like deranged goblin-children.
I'm blessed in that my child is actually pretty well-behaved by nature (DSD can vouch for me, having met him and had dinner with him) but he's still six and prone to acting like a six year old. I have a pretty low threshold for acting out in public like that so I keep a tight leash on him. My sister I'm sure would say the same about her kid but I know from experience she'll let him go on long after I would have jerked the kid into the parking lot and it's a trial of will for me to bite my tongue.
Anyway, I fail to understand why some of these people can't go somewhere more appropriate. I know it's not as trendy as the local café but McDonald's serves coffee and salads and has a whole section set aside specifically for your kids to act like deranged goblin-children.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm not a parent, so take this as you will.
I agree with the manager to a point. There's a gray area there, where a kid isn't being unruly but is still fussing a bit. That I don't mind so much. But kids who are sprawling out on the floor or climbing all over the place, or running at a display case as described in that article is a different situation. That's just bad parenting imo.
One of my best friends who I lived with for several years has a 6 year old boy now. Even when he was a toddler he was very well behaved in public, and never caused a fuss. All due to the fact that his dad wouldn't allow it. On the other extreme, I have 2 sisters who have 2 kids each. All boys. They are the spawns of Satan, and I have avoided going out to restraunts with them specifically because their kids are little sh[i][/i]its. Because they know they can get away with it.
I agree with the manager to a point. There's a gray area there, where a kid isn't being unruly but is still fussing a bit. That I don't mind so much. But kids who are sprawling out on the floor or climbing all over the place, or running at a display case as described in that article is a different situation. That's just bad parenting imo.
One of my best friends who I lived with for several years has a 6 year old boy now. Even when he was a toddler he was very well behaved in public, and never caused a fuss. All due to the fact that his dad wouldn't allow it. On the other extreme, I have 2 sisters who have 2 kids each. All boys. They are the spawns of Satan, and I have avoided going out to restraunts with them specifically because their kids are little sh[i][/i]its. Because they know they can get away with it.
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One time Weebs was eating fancy at a Po'Folks out in Warner Robins, Georgia. He was dressed up in his best Ozzy tshirt seeing as how they were eating out.
His kids started acting up and causing a scene. Unsure of how to best handle it he reverted to punching the children. This unfortunately caused an even larger scene that required policemen. Since then Weebs has found that staying cool in public then whipping the tar out of them in private is both efficient and requires less legal ramblings.
His kids started acting up and causing a scene. Unsure of how to best handle it he reverted to punching the children. This unfortunately caused an even larger scene that required policemen. Since then Weebs has found that staying cool in public then whipping the tar out of them in private is both efficient and requires less legal ramblings.
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Oh, for the record, I've been reading articles about that café and the hub-bub for over a week now, it being a local story. Per one of the local columnists, the owner of A Taste of Heaven reported something like a 44% increase in sales as a result of the "boycott" and all the media coverage.
Edit: More than 44%. Per John Kass's column:
"It's true," said McCauley, whose establishment is in Chicago's upscale Andersonville neighborhood.
"Our business has gone up. It's unbelievable. It's tripled. A lot of people are frustrated about this, and so here we are. Some people don't realize they have to live by the rules of the rest of the community. I was only asking for some common courtesy."
The boycott hasn't ruined you?
"No," he said. "As a matter of fact, there must be 12 to 15 kids in here now. Listen, we're getting calls from Amsterdam and New Zealand. They're all applauding this."
Edited, Mon Nov 21 15:46:28 2005 by Jophiel
Edit: More than 44%. Per John Kass's column:
"It's true," said McCauley, whose establishment is in Chicago's upscale Andersonville neighborhood.
"Our business has gone up. It's unbelievable. It's tripled. A lot of people are frustrated about this, and so here we are. Some people don't realize they have to live by the rules of the rest of the community. I was only asking for some common courtesy."
The boycott hasn't ruined you?
"No," he said. "As a matter of fact, there must be 12 to 15 kids in here now. Listen, we're getting calls from Amsterdam and New Zealand. They're all applauding this."
Edited, Mon Nov 21 15:46:28 2005 by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
This just reminds me of an observation from my times in the US of A.
I asked my friend "Are American parents required to take their kids to Walmart checkouts to smack them?"
I asked my friend "Are American parents required to take their kids to Walmart checkouts to smack them?"
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PottyMouth wrote:
This just reminds me of an observation from my times in the US of A.
I asked my friend "Are American parents required to take their kids to Walmart checkouts to smack them?"
I asked my friend "Are American parents required to take their kids to Walmart checkouts to smack them?"
Nope, that's just a guideline.
My mom would just hiss at us, "Do I have to take you outside?" I never found out what that meant, exactly. Something about the red eyes and the fangs convinced me that I didn't want to know.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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I'm fine with kids at restaurant or cafe.
So long as they remain seated and not run around
and not throw things
and not climb on things
and not scream.
Doing that as a child got me backhanded.
So long as they remain seated and not run around
and not throw things
and not climb on things
and not scream.
Doing that as a child got me backhanded.
My thoughts exactly.
If i can't hear them, they're fine by me.
I've left dozens of restaurants because i was seated near misbehaving parents, even after i've ordered. As far as i'm concerned, if the kid has an outburst, the parents have a scant few minutes to get them under control, beyond that, it's up to the restaurant manager: Either they're leaving or I am.
sure hope i have more tolerance for kids if/when I have some of my own
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sure hope i have more tolerance for kids if/when I have some of my own
Why? I love both of my children dearly, that doesn't mean I'm about to put up with that kind of ******** in a restaurant, especially from a 2 year old. I bring both of my kids out regularly but only to "family" type establishments. If my eldest starts acting up, she takes a walk. If she keeps it up, we go home. It's that simple. Having a night out at the expense of another's ruined evening is just plain rude and I make a point that let those who do this know so, usually in not so friendly terms and always in earshot of their spawn.
So, where are the parents who let their kids run wild?
I know you guys are out there.
I know you guys are out there.
What would you do if you, as a parent, saw your daughter on a Girls Gone Wild video.
What if you were at the bar with your buddies when you saw it and they recognized her?
What if you were at the bar with your buddies when you saw it and they recognized her?
The One and Only Frakkor wrote:
What would you do if you, as a parent, saw your daughter on a Girls Gone Wild video.
What if you were at the bar with your buddies when you saw it and they recognized her?
What if you were at the bar with your buddies when you saw it and they recognized her?
Does this happen to you a lot?
I haven't any kids, yet...your question just made me think of it for some reason...
but no, it doesn't happen to me..a lot..
damn my brain being two steps ahead of my typing appendages!
Edited, Mon Nov 21 16:49:07 2005 by Frakkor
but no, it doesn't happen to me..a lot..
damn my brain being two steps ahead of my typing appendages!
Edited, Mon Nov 21 16:49:07 2005 by Frakkor
I wrote:
sure hope i have more tolerance for kids if/when I have some of my own
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Why?.....
That was really more of a general statement... not just about kids in restaurants. I'm 23 and single, so it'll be a while before i have to worry about it (well, unless there's an "accident")
Edited, Mon Nov 21 16:54:31 2005 by PhlareWP
Well, no daughters here, so it would be hard for me to answer that question.
If my older son was caught doing something wild, I'd wonder who drugged him, since there's not much on this green earth that will tear him away from video games.
My younger son? I'll just slap his dad.
If my older son was caught doing something wild, I'd wonder who drugged him, since there's not much on this green earth that will tear him away from video games.
My younger son? I'll just slap his dad.
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My younger son? I'll just slap his dad.
That'll teach 'em!
The One and Only Frakkor wrote:
What would you do if you, as a parent, saw your daughter on a Girls Gone Wild video.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
We only went to resturants as a special treat, so if we started to really act up my mom dragged our screming asses out, halfway through a meal if necessary. Guess it worked, I dont scream in resturaunts anymore...often.
Also never give kids food or somthing to shut them up. Teaches em that if they act out they get what they want. Yup.
Also never give kids food or somthing to shut them up. Teaches em that if they act out they get what they want. Yup.
Jophiel wrote:
The One and Only Frakkor wrote:
What would you do if you, as a parent, saw your daughter on a Girls Gone Wild video.
You are truly sick.
Anything to get a rise out of you folks
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
My son is in the phase, dear Bob I hope it is a phase, that if he does not get what he wants, or do something he wants, he flips out. Screaming, spamming "please" over and over, to the point I'd love to throttle him. For themost part, it's rarely in public, but on the couple times it has happened in public, I've never hesitated to whisper to him quietly if he doesn't knock it off we're leaving wherever it is we are. Most of the time he stops. And the times he didn't? We left. I've hauled my kid up under my arms and walked out of places with no problems. My son is also three, mind you.
There have to be certain places that loud kids are accepted, if only for the sanity of the parents. That's why we have Friendlys and Chuck E Cheese, or McDonalds. While the kids have fun there, keep in mind when you're out, it's more to get out of the house and into a different atmosphere. Do parents like going to Chuck E Cheese? No. But it's better sometimes to let the kids run wild somewhere that is not your living room once in awhile.
Parents who want to get out and relax in a real adult atmosphere, find a babysitter. Respect others who may be out as well to escape the sounds of screaming.
However......
For those of you out there who do not have kids and have not been through raising little hellions, a piece of motherly advice. UNLESS you witness a child who could possibly be a case for DSS, don't put your foot where your mouth is and offer snide comments/advice/piercinglooks at the mother/father. Every kid, no matter how good they are most of the time, WILL act out in public at least once. And the parent is most definitely wishing to sink into the floor at the moment. The best you can offer them is to kindly look away and ignore it, or freeze that in your mind and realize one day that might be you. No matter how good of a parent you are, you can not control your childs oncoming tantrums all the time. You do your best, you suck it up, and if you're a good parent, you stick to your guns about consequences of bad behavior and get your screaming devil the hell out of there
Edited, Mon Nov 21 17:35:43 2005 by DSD
There have to be certain places that loud kids are accepted, if only for the sanity of the parents. That's why we have Friendlys and Chuck E Cheese, or McDonalds. While the kids have fun there, keep in mind when you're out, it's more to get out of the house and into a different atmosphere. Do parents like going to Chuck E Cheese? No. But it's better sometimes to let the kids run wild somewhere that is not your living room once in awhile.
Parents who want to get out and relax in a real adult atmosphere, find a babysitter. Respect others who may be out as well to escape the sounds of screaming.
However......
For those of you out there who do not have kids and have not been through raising little hellions, a piece of motherly advice. UNLESS you witness a child who could possibly be a case for DSS, don't put your foot where your mouth is and offer snide comments/advice/piercinglooks at the mother/father. Every kid, no matter how good they are most of the time, WILL act out in public at least once. And the parent is most definitely wishing to sink into the floor at the moment. The best you can offer them is to kindly look away and ignore it, or freeze that in your mind and realize one day that might be you. No matter how good of a parent you are, you can not control your childs oncoming tantrums all the time. You do your best, you suck it up, and if you're a good parent, you stick to your guns about consequences of bad behavior and get your screaming devil the hell out of there
Edited, Mon Nov 21 17:35:43 2005 by DSD
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