In many instances I'd rather have someone tell me "It's not my job" than try and do a job for me that they're not competent at.
I know I know, I shouldn't be responding here - It's not my job.
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time to document everything in as much detail as possible and start climbing the chain of command.
Contract workers are in a unique spot. You have a choice: try to excel and prove your worth, or do just as much as you're hired to do and no more.
Of the two, guess which one I'd be inclined to offer a full-time job with benefits, or to ask back for another gig later?
Of the two, guess which one I'd be inclined to offer a full-time job with benefits, or to ask back for another gig later?
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Contract workers are in a unique spot. You have a choice: try to excel and prove your worth, or do just as much as you're hired to do and no more.
Of the two, guess which one I'd be inclined to offer a full-time job with benefits, or to ask back for another gig later?
Of the two, guess which one I'd be inclined to offer a full-time job with benefits, or to ask back for another gig later?
the one that does excellent work for far cheaper than the competition, even though he's young and a bit reluctant to work over and above the contracted terms?
Really though, you've got a good point, and I imagine once i'm ready to settle somewhere (and grow up a bit, no doubt), i'll probably notice that my mindset on the issue has changed. For now, however, i enjoy knowing precicly what i need to do and doing it to the best of my abilities.
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I don't believe that i should get paid for nothing.
This is pretty standard 'contractor mentality', you're not the only one who feels this way. I've done some contracting IT work, and it's very easy to get in this mindset. The contractors that get hired as full timers, though, are the ones who stand out and take hold of something that they are expected to.
People (i.e. managers) remember folks who are willing to help with anything, even if they aren't as technically versed in their job, over someone who is really good at ONE thing, but refuses to step outside of that box.
There's more benefit that just monetary to going above and beyond the 'description' of your job.
I see jobs has having shifting job description. What I was once expected to do will not be the same forever. I look at it as broadening my horizons. Later on down the road someone might remember that I stepped up to the plate and took care of something that I wasn't expected to.
Next time promotions are passed out, it might help to put me at the head of the list...you never know what might happen.
TStephens wrote:
I'm an all-or-nothing, it's black or it's white sort of guy, so I'll probably die in the harness. At least I hope so. I'd hate to think that I'd actually retire and sit around idle for a while before kicking the bucket. What a waste.
Too much thought put into an unworthy subject. Work to live, not the other way around. As you can see, I'm on the other side of your argument. I'll pitch in if I need to, but I determine whether or not I need to. I won't sign away my intellect or my free time for some asshat who thinks that something menial means I have to give up time for free. I don't work in order to ingratiate myself. I work for money.
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Work to live, not the other way around
HELL YES
Everything else > Work
work just pays the bills
I find it immature to complain about people doing their jobs.
I never expect someone to do more work then I'm paying them for. It is my job to know who is responsible for what. If there is a task no one is responsible for, it's my job. I can offer it to others, with corresponding compensation of some kind, which they can accept or reject.
Anything else is very unprofessional and a sign of poor management. Sure, dumping random sh[i][/i]itwork on people may work for a while, but you don't have employees, you have slaves and they will (and should!) go elsewhere if their talents and ambitions allow. And you (or your company) will be left with the others. Have fun.
Naturally, if you work in a developing field (many of us do) then it isn't cut and dry. It's not that your job description is chaning, it's that the whole field is changing. If you don't change, you won't have a job. This is far too often an excuse for lazy management.
I never expect someone to do more work then I'm paying them for. It is my job to know who is responsible for what. If there is a task no one is responsible for, it's my job. I can offer it to others, with corresponding compensation of some kind, which they can accept or reject.
Anything else is very unprofessional and a sign of poor management. Sure, dumping random sh[i][/i]itwork on people may work for a while, but you don't have employees, you have slaves and they will (and should!) go elsewhere if their talents and ambitions allow. And you (or your company) will be left with the others. Have fun.
Naturally, if you work in a developing field (many of us do) then it isn't cut and dry. It's not that your job description is chaning, it's that the whole field is changing. If you don't change, you won't have a job. This is far too often an excuse for lazy management.
The key in the "That's not my job" situation is to say "Oh okay, I'm not really sure on that one. I'll pass this on to someone who can help you out," and then forget about it and take a lunchbreak.
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Maybe i'm a slacker, maybe i've got non-callused hands. Maybe i'm one of the younger generation of workers TS complained about. Maybe i'll get fired one day and learn my lesson. But i often work on contracted terms, and if it's not written down and agreed upon beforehand, it's not getting done by me unless i'm getting some extra compensation.
I don't believe that i should get paid for nothing. I believe that i should get paid for EXACTLY what i agreed to do. no more, no less.
I don't believe that i should get paid for nothing. I believe that i should get paid for EXACTLY what i agreed to do. no more, no less.
I fuc[/b]king [b]hate contractors. A more worthless bunch of fuc[b][/b]ktards I have yet to meet. For example:
The Navy base I teach on has a contract out for all the electrical systems on the base. We had a bad thunderstorm a few months back that knocked out the power to our building. Given that every instructor there has advanced electrical training, and at least 8 years of practical experience with electronics, it should have been an easy task to walk to the breaker and reset it. Switch go down, switch go back up.
Sadly, we weren't allowed to do that because anyone other than a contractor touching the breaker would void the contract. Since the contractor couldn't be bothered to come into work after 0900, we were forced to cancel training and lose an entire days productivity.
No civilian job should have the right to monopolize all of your time, but contractors are always looking for any little thing outside the specific contract to skate out of work. And it seems in my experience, most of them are better at that than their actual job.
Allenji
The problem there wasn't that a contractor didn't want to come out, but that the Goverment in it's wish to "Save Money," gave the base electrical systems to a contractor to maintain. Goverment Contractor know how much they can get away with and how to keep their contracts until taxpapers start to complain.
Before my ex went bonkers at work, he was a Navy ET and then a Civilian on US Army base. The last year he work for the Dept. of Defense, they kept talking about contracting out the calibration of the test equipment for the region. I could only imagine how must money would get wasted in a Goverment Agency that would pay inflated prices for scews.
That was after some dork down in Alabama, complain that he rather get wage grade pay, then the higher GS rate they were getting. Why? so They would have less required of them in their Job Discription and he didn't want to make sure he had the education needed for the GS grade, requirement of writing reports.
Worst part of his job as an ET was making sure he got a full update from the previous shift. Supervisior on Mid Shift seem to feel they wouldn't need to know if their was anything that they needed to watch out for or fix.
spelling and grammar check's is not in my job discription
The problem there wasn't that a contractor didn't want to come out, but that the Goverment in it's wish to "Save Money," gave the base electrical systems to a contractor to maintain. Goverment Contractor know how much they can get away with and how to keep their contracts until taxpapers start to complain.
Before my ex went bonkers at work, he was a Navy ET and then a Civilian on US Army base. The last year he work for the Dept. of Defense, they kept talking about contracting out the calibration of the test equipment for the region. I could only imagine how must money would get wasted in a Goverment Agency that would pay inflated prices for scews.
That was after some dork down in Alabama, complain that he rather get wage grade pay, then the higher GS rate they were getting. Why? so They would have less required of them in their Job Discription and he didn't want to make sure he had the education needed for the GS grade, requirement of writing reports.
Worst part of his job as an ET was making sure he got a full update from the previous shift. Supervisior on Mid Shift seem to feel they wouldn't need to know if their was anything that they needed to watch out for or fix.
spelling and grammar check's is not in my job discription
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I'm union, but generally I only say "It's not my job" to management. I like most of the people I work beside, and am helpful to most guests of the hotel. Unless you talk down to me, then you get the ********** smelliest, lousiest room and you better ******* like it!!!
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
I have never said, "That's not my job" to an employer until I moved to Oregon. Oregon is a AT WILL State and these f'uckers literally take that to heart. They will threaten you if they even think you are going to say, "That's not my job."
I quit my job as a Mortician because of this. Now I clean houses, under the table kinda work while I go to school full-time for my Masters.
Now I can say, "Thats not my job" to whoever and smile.
I quit my job as a Mortician because of this. Now I clean houses, under the table kinda work while I go to school full-time for my Masters.
Now I can say, "Thats not my job" to whoever and smile.
I wish that I had that option, if I say that people usually get hurt! Working in an at will state is tough, you constantly have to be on guard!
Moe, I feel for ya!! I will pitch in for some gas $ if that helps!
Moe, I feel for ya!! I will pitch in for some gas $ if that helps!
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The thread subject just made me think of this picture I had stored on my old website.
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This is the last time I try to post from work...
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