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#77 Nov 15 2005 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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Obama's little editorial piece paints his views as just that: fiscally conservative. I don't know enough about the man to like/dislike his views but the editorial he wrote was nothing but good sense, and thus good publicity.


Eh? I tend to agree with Totem on this one.

Obama's piece "appears" to make good sense, because it hits all the right points. Let's be fiscally responsible. Let's both increase taxes *and* decrease spending! What a concept!

But notice *which* things he singles out. He's increasing taxes on the "wealthy". That's playing to the standard Dem party line. Get 50 billion dollars by rolling back those tax cuts to the millionaires out there.

Ah. But wait! He's going to compromise with decreases in spending, right? But which programs do you think he's targetting? I notice he didn't mention things like wellfare, medicare, or any of the traditional Liberal spending projects at all. Nope. He zero's in on "pork". Ok. We'd all like to get rid of pork, but he wants to target NASA? And the Alaskan bridge?


This isn't so much a compromise as a "you give us half, and we'll take the other half from you". If the Dems want the Reps to roll back their tax cuts, let's see them give up on actual programs their constituents care about, instead of pork projects which at best will affect both sides equally.


That's where I see the switcheroo happening. He's essentially masking a proposed increase of taxes targetted specifically at "the wealthy" by appearing to compromise with program cuts that affect everyone equally (that's assuming he's as willing to cut programs in his home state as he is willing to cut those in other states). So even if we don't assume some imbalance in the pork program cuts, that's hardly a compromise, right? It's the Republican's giving something, and the Dems offering that both parties give some more.

It's cleverly written. I'll give him that. But it's hardly a compromise at all. How about we forget the tax stuff and just trim the pork instead? Seems like an even better way to go? Or how about he actually ante-up with a program that his Liberal constituents really care about?
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#78 Nov 15 2005 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
It's an editorial. It's not a plan. It's not a campaign promise. It doesn't ask for your vote or your endorsement. It's a commentary on where he thinks we are and we need to be, not specific directions on how to get there.

Take it at face value. Or don't. Demonize it and him if it makes you feel good.


A little objectivity never killed anyone. Just sayin.
#79 Nov 15 2005 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eh? I tend to agree with Totem on this one.
Well, the lamb will have to wait a while longer to lay with the lion, I suppose Smiley: laugh

I didn't read the rest. Given that Gbaji agreed with Totem, I'm assuming Totem already said it in less words.
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#80 Nov 15 2005 at 11:30 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Eh? I tend to agree with Totem on this one.
Did that even need saying?

BTW, "posts" that 'look' like *this* are a dead give away that you have nothing to say, but plenty to type.
#81 Nov 16 2005 at 12:24 AM Rating: Decent
Albiet Obama hashes out a good "no nonsense" opinion, Is it really anything new? You hear this type of speech all the time. I am not one who is big into politics but what I do know from how I see this governmnet run is that there are plenty of fat people sitting in fat chairs with thier fat hands in someones fat pockets to fatten thier seat on the agenda. Preaching to the choir? Yes. Doing anything about it? No.

Mabey he should have cited a project to be cut from his own back yard, but would it do anything to solve any problems? Probably not. Would less people vote for him if he did? Probably, so I can see where "not in my back yard" applies here. But it only solidifies the fact that these people care not for the overall welfare of our nation, only to fluff thier own pillows and such speeches, articles, or what have you, appeal to thier voters, not to the welfare of the people.

Yea Joph may have eaten it up and so what? Should he be flogged for it? I don't think so. If you want to throw **** in each others mouths untill one of you chokes, so be it. It makes for good reading by my account.


Edited, Wed Nov 16 00:35:00 2005 by fishermanbmr
#82 Nov 16 2005 at 2:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Would less people vote for him if he did? Probably, so I can see where "not in my back yard" applies here
You know, as Senator, he's not up for election for about another five years. Anyone who thinks naming projects in a newspaper column will hurt his re-election chances in 2010 isn't really thinking straight.
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