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#1 Nov 15 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Have I mentioned that I really like this guy? Yes. Yes, indeed. I don't have too much to add to what he's said here but I thought it was worth reprinting. This was an editorial penned by him in today's Chicago Tribune.
Senator Obama wrote:
With an expected price tag of well over $100 billion, the cost of rebuilding the devastated areas of the Gulf Coast already is putting a significant strain on our federal budget. Yet in Washington, fiscally irresponsible policies have been piling up deficits since long before Katrina came ashore.

For too long, the philosophy in Washington has been that you can spend without consequence or sacrifice. That we can fight a war in Iraq and a war on terror, protect our homeland, provide our citizens with Medicare and Social Security and maintain our domestic priorities, all while cutting taxes for the wealthy and funding every local project there is.

If you're wondering how Congress pays for all this, it doesn't. Instead, billions of dollars are borrowed from other countries and put on a credit card for our children to pay off.

Yet, when it comes time to pay these bills, no one seems to agree on any tax cuts to defer or any programs to cut. You don't have to be a deficit hawk to know that growing entitlement spending combined with tax breaks for billionaires is not a sustainable future for America.

Every family knows that it's one thing to use a credit card; it's another thing to keep spending money you don't have. You have to "Pay as You Go," which is a rule most Americans live by. Washington once did too, until the White House and Senate Republicans abandoned it to push through the president's tax breaks.

The latest example of this irresponsibility is Congress' plan to pass $70 billion in additional tax breaks despite record-breaking deficits. Clearly, old habits are hard to break.

It's time for a return to responsibility in the budget process.

I know there are Democrats who don't want to give up spending, Republicans who don't want to give up any tax breaks for the wealthy and members of both parties who don't want to give up pet projects back home, but now is a time for shared sacrifice. Americans want members of both parties to put all options on the table to start solving this problem.

I believe that we can quickly find $100 billion for Gulf Coast reconstruction with a balanced approach that finds half the money in spending cuts and half the money in the delay and repeal of tax breaks, primarily for millionaires.

To cut $50 billion in spending, we could put a two-year moratorium on all pet projects and other local spending. We could defer projects such as the $10 billion mission to Mars or eliminate unnecessary business subsidies.

We could drop funding that gives private companies extra incentives to participate in the new Medicare drug program--as the Senate already has agreed to do, though the White House has refused thus far.

We could save Medicaid money by increasing the rebates that brand-name drug manufacturers owe the program.

Rather than this measured approach, some in Congress have advocated indiscriminate across-the-board cuts. This is an irresponsible approach.

In their own budgets, Americans don't cut back on essentials such as food, heating and health care before first forgoing luxuries, and Congress shouldn't either.

Others intent on cutting spending have pointed to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as a wasteful project. I agree and believe that it represents the first type of project we should cut. But it's wrong to single out one state's pork project. If we're serious about shared responsibility, let's eliminate all pork projects in all states. To find $50 billion in tax breaks, we could postpone a planned tax break for millionaires, and we could temporarily roll back one of the tax cuts for those who make an income of more than $2 million per year.

With the challenges we face in Iraq and at home, asking more of those who have so much doesn't just make fiscal sense, it makes moral sense. No one likes to make hard choices on spending, and everyone has an argument about why their priorities are most important. But we are in this together, and government is about choices.

The American people are willing to sacrifice for their country--they're willing to give when there is need, to contribute where they can help. People also know what it's like to live within your means--to spend only what you can and be responsible for what you owe.

Americans expect their government to act that way too. It's time for all of us in Washington to put away old habits and rise above partisan politics so that we can meet those expectations.

If we can collaborate on paying for Gulf Coast reconstruction in a bipartisan manner now, we'll have a model for tackling our long-term budgetary challenges in the future.
Ironic that it takes a "tax and spend" Democrat to make sense against the "fiscially responsible" Republicans. I don't know that I agree with those chomping at the bit to see Obama in a 2008 Presidental run, but I certainly do hope he stays in the political game.
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#2 Nov 15 2005 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Obama, Osama!!!! All these people are trying to destroy the Christian values in America!!!!


(heard some conservative lady say that once on the radio)
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#3 Nov 15 2005 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
Good article. Good ideas.

$223 Million to build a bridge to connect a 20 Mile long island Pop. < 50 to the mainland. Yeah thats a waste. Link

Get a ferry or 3.

Edited, Tue Nov 15 11:32:01 2005 by Soracloud
#4 Nov 15 2005 at 11:19 AM Rating: Default
I say we all go get our epic gear and overthrow bush.
TO ARMS THE HORDE AND ALLIANCE SHALL BE BROTHERS ONCE MORE!!!
#5 Nov 15 2005 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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I say we all go get our epic gear and overthrow bush.
TO ARMS THE HORDE AND ALLIANCE SHALL BE BROTHERS ONCE MORE!!!


Ummmm ya

I got nothing.
#6 Nov 15 2005 at 11:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Soracloud Quick Hands wrote:
Get a ferry or 3.
Not only do they have a ferry but I've read people on the island saying that taking the bridge will take longer than the ferry does Smiley: laugh
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I say we all go get our epic gear and overthrow bush
Smiley: dubious
Yeaahhh... why don't you go have some punch and cookies while the grown-ups talk? Look! They have a TV with cartoons on it!
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#7 Nov 15 2005 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Soracloud Quick Hands wrote:
Get a ferry or 3.
Not only do they have a ferry but I've read people on the island saying that taking the bridge will take longer than the ferry does Smiley: laugh

Smiley: eek and this was ok'd for $223 Million. Bob Bless this Great Nation of ours.

I can understand a mission to Mars being ok'd for 10 billion and I can understand why it could get axed. I am sure 10 Billion to explore our Universe (sorry but I find space to be teh hotz) is well worth cutting even more wastful projects.

Space > USA

Edited, Tue Nov 15 11:38:24 2005 by Soracloud
#8 Nov 15 2005 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
#9 Nov 15 2005 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
Apparently it wasn't the correct situation to poke a little fun at bush, but your response was a little harsh. I just try to do anything I can to forget about the fact we still have almost three more years of this jackass leading our country and wondering how long the world will put up with his hanius crimes against humanity and his complete idoicy before someone does something about it. All I know is that I voted for Kerry and Obama and I even went as far as to man the polls at my local polling place, and was disgusted at how many people support bush and still do after all he has done. Thanks for correcting my childish ways though.
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Alphahammer wrote:
All I know is that I voted for Kerry and Obama
Where do you live in Illinois? That's not a trick question, I'm actually curious.
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#11 Nov 15 2005 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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What I believe is more telling about Obama is that while he points out the wastefulness of Alaska's pork barrel project, he fails to mention a single specific project he would scrap in his own state of Illinois-- which, quite honestly, is the problem with cutting all this supposed fat from the budget. It's always someone else's state who has unnecessary roads, bridges, buildings, or whatever being funded by taxpayer dollars, but somehow your own city, district, or state is magically and frugally squeezing every penny out of every dollar for vital and uncuttable projects.

Equally telling is his trumpeting of tried-n-true Democratic themes of rich people being given unfair tax breaks and the Republicans handing out such bennies as quick as they can turn them into law.

When Obama can specifically give a line by line budget and come up with the money for all his pet projets and funds for the rebuilding of the Gulf Coast then we can decide if he actually has a leg to stand on. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, he's just preaching to the Democratic party faithful.

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#12 Nov 15 2005 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
Why can't we just cut the spending? This "Tax break for the rich" shi[/u]t is stupid.

Fu[/u]ck that, we need a flat tax. This country subsidizes the existence of too many people who don't add anything to the pot to go around as it is. Some stupid McDonald's burger flipping **** with ten kids can get the same civil protections as you and me, they should pay taxes!

Still, we do need to cut the spending. We need to cut the spending in a big way, too. We should focus on paying off debt, not building stupid bridges or feeding these cockroach pieces of shi[/u]t that spread to the winds with FEMA money.
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I agree and believe that it represents the first type of project we should cut. But it's wrong to single out one state's pork project. If we're serious about shared responsibility, let's eliminate all pork projects in all states.

I'm sure Obama would be happy to cut out Dennis Hastert's $207mil pet Prairie Parkway project in Illinois if that'll make you happy.

If you're asking for a line item budget in a newspaper editorial column, I'm going to have to laugh at you.
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#14 Nov 15 2005 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
Totem wrote:
What I believe is more telling about Obama is that while he points out the wastefulness of Alaska's pork barrel project, he fails to mention a single specific project he would scrap in his own state of Illinois-- which, quite honestly, is the problem with cutting all this supposed fat from the budget. It's always someone else's state who has unnecessary roads, bridges, buildings, or whatever being funded by taxpayer dollars, but somehow your own city, district, or state is magically and frugally squeezing every penny out of every dollar for vital and uncuttable projects.

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It's not like the democrats have any say in what happens in the Gov right now but as far as roads and what not. That's state funds and taxes that provide for those projects wether it be through the use of federal allocated funds or not.
#15REDACTED, Posted: Nov 15 2005 at 11:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ah the ever persuasive "tax cuts for the rich" b*llsh*t.
#16 Nov 15 2005 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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#17 Nov 15 2005 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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Because, Lefein, to lefties like Smasharoo et al, having the poor and middle class pay their fair share by way of a flat tax is an unacceptable burden on them. Paying an equal percentage of your income regardless of of your gross isn't fair to them, it's an outrageous imposition of the uncaring capitalist system we unwittingly allowed here in the United States. Paying a flat 15% is a cold, calculating method of keeping the poor from succeeding and alleviating the rich of paying the income tax rate of 75% that they by all rights should be forking out. After all, they have so much money they'd hardly miss a billion or two from the budget. Heck, they light their fireplaces with $100 bills!

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#18 Nov 15 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Default
WTF ARE YOU SMOKING LET ME HAVE SOME CUZ YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Corp and extremely wealthy individuals put almost all of their assests and money out of country and pay taxes on an extremely small portion, and if you dont think this happens you are being blinded by the T.V. and should pick up a book sometime.

this is a reply to achileez idiocy

Edited, Tue Nov 15 12:19:27 2005 by Alphahammer

Edited, Tue Nov 15 12:12:38 2005 by Alphahammer
#19 Nov 15 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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No need to laugh at me any more than you already do, Joph. All that would have been necessary to prove his good intentions would be to point out a specific project in Illinois he would would be willing to give up.

But he didn't, did he? And why not? Because he is no different than every other Beltway politician who likes to have his own personal triumphs to trumpet to the voting public in his state. I believe the Bible refered to this as removing the beam in your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck in someone else's eye.

His piece was pure posturing and you ate it up, Rube.

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#20 Nov 15 2005 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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Alphahammer, show any state "pork" project an elected Dem from said state who is willing to axe and I'll eat my words. It has nothing to do with who is in office and who has the reigns of power in Washington, because they all are complicit in helping each other attaining their own pet goals. Do you understand this? It's not a Democrat vs. Republican thing, it's a Congress thing.

Did you really just fall off that turnip truck that passed by a few minutes ago?

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#21 Nov 15 2005 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
Tot3m, my friend, I have to state that the young stoner has a point, albeit it one expressed poorly.

I was just thinking of how a flat tax would never pass because it would see opposition from both sides of the political fence. A flat tax eliminates the ability to avoid taxes and thereby causes those persons who avoid most of what should be their tax burden to shoulder it. These are the same people who pay lobbiest for tax breaks, pay tax lawyers and accountants to find them ways to not pay money, and aree happy to lie and cheat if it saves them a dollar. They'll never let something like a flat tax pass. They'd pay assassins, character and otherwise, to deal with lawmakers involved first.
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TStephens, I would only point out to you that as meager as the support for a flat tax has been from both sides of the fence, it has primarily been a Republican issue. Does it get much more than lip service every four years? No, but even that is so much more than the hue and cry from the Dems who practically see a flat tax as the reinstitution of slavery.

Somehow making everybody pay the same percentage for their tax is akin to making the poor work in the cotton fields with whip marks across their backs.

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#23 Nov 15 2005 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
oh I agree with you totem my first post was just informtion my second was flaming achileez. Personally no one wants to give up what they allready have out of this rediculous government we have right now. It kinda looks like a daycare center if you take a step back. Bush is just the half retarded older kid who steals everyones cookies.
#24 Nov 15 2005 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's an interesting world you live in where the Illinois rate of return on the Highway Spending Bill is a "beam" and the Alaskan rate of return in the Spending Bill is a comparative "speck". Let's just say I wouldn't want you working carpentry on my house.

I am curious how you think we should rid ourselves of the deficit since cutting pork and rolling back tax breaks isn't in your agenda. Surely you can agree that this administration hasn't exactly been the most fiscially responsible? Yes, yes.. there's a war. There was a hurricane. Point being that perhaps tax breaks aren't the best way to fund a war or hurricane relief and restoration.
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