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#1 Nov 14 2005 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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http://i-newswire.com/pr49748.html

team of researchers have confirmed a complex of ancient harbor works in shallow water off Bimini, 50 miles from Miami...

...large stone circles on the bottom, formed from large blocks of limestone arranged into circular patterns. The circles were spaced at regular intervals. Stone anchors, identical to ancient Phoenician, Greek, and Roman anchors, were also found.



I remember that this was reported as a hoax back in the 70s, but there it is.

Question is, whodunit? Maybe the strange, white, bearded guys from across the ocean that they Mayans talked about?


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#2 Nov 14 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue13/ar13japanunder.html

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#3 Nov 14 2005 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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#4 Nov 14 2005 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
It's absolutely amazing how little we know about ancient history. It seems like every decade or so we find a new discovery that blows away all of our concepts of civilization.
#5 Nov 14 2005 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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If the continents crumbled into the oceans, all of our cities and cars and TVs.. would be GONE, 10,000 years from now people wouldn't have a fu[b][/b]cking clue that we were here.

Even if milllions survived.. do you really think that they would be able to rebuild society again?

Waht does the common man know about elctronics and steel smelting and cable repair, not to mention superconductors?
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#6 Nov 14 2005 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
I whole-heartedly agree. Western civilization suffers a severe case of amnesia, imho. I'd be willing to bet that the Library of Alexandria may have even housed evidence of this civilization but it was burned and sacked.

There is so much left to learn, but it seems like science is slow to unfold its skepticism. Maybe with new discoveries, the answers may be told within our lifetime. I'd like to think so, anyways.
#7 Nov 14 2005 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Waht does the common man know about elctronics and steel smelting and cable repair, not to mention superconductors?


Duuh, everyone knows you need Spaceflight and Fission for Superconductors!
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#8 Nov 14 2005 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Waht does the common man know about elctronics and steel smelting and cable repair, not to mention superconductors?


Duuh, everyone knows you need Spaceflight and Fission for Superconductors!



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#9 Nov 14 2005 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Waht does the common man know about elctronics and steel smelting and cable repair, not to mention superconductors?
Given the advent of the printing press, there's about a kazillion books and manuals on electronics, steel smelting, cable repair and superconductors. Not counting the many, many people employeed in various fields relating to each. Globally. Which isn't to say we'd all be looking at high speed internet **** the day after the apocolypse, but we wouldn't be huddling in caves waiting for a lightning strike to start a fire, either.

Maybe the Ancient Phoencians knew the secret to cold fusion but I can tell you that there weren't six billion ancient Phoencians to carry on that knowledge when the sh[i][/i]it hit the fan.
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#10 Nov 14 2005 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Given the advent of the printing press, there's about a kazillion books and manuals on electronics, steel smelting, cable repair and superconductors. Not counting the many, many people employeed in various fields relating to each. Globally.


I don't think you give enough credit to the ramifications of global "upheaval". I don't think books would survive too look after 10,000 or so years..

I think people would be more focusd on raw survival than in preserving knowledge. IMO

even on a global scale.
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#11 Nov 14 2005 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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must'nt forget things like this too:
http://www.unmuseum.org/bbattery.htm

and this:
http://ancientx.com/images/sued1_big.jpg
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#12 Nov 14 2005 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
As long as http://www.howthingswork.com would still be working after 10,000 years...we'd be ok!
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
I don't think you give enough credit to the ramifications of global "upheaval". I don't think books would survive too look after 10,000 or so years..
I don't think mankind would be twiddling their thumbs for ten thousand years either while silverfish ate the technical manuals.

Unless the "upheaval" came in the form of aliens razing the entire planet, I can't imagine many scenarios that wouldn't leave enough infrastructure to give civilization a pretty solid head start.
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#14 Nov 14 2005 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
Much like we had the head start the last time in the form of surgical procedures and architectural design?

Maybe we'll leave behind hydroelectric power and computers?
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So i dont get it. There used to be a aunderwater city? Or did the oceans rise.
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Seconding Jophiel.

The reason the printing press was such a damned big deal is because it allowed us to move from inconsistant hand-copied documentation to consistant mass-produced documentation. Copy speed up, replication time down, for all data across the board everywhere.

Having all that data around lets us retrain to do whatever we need to do. You don't have to be born into a baker's family to learn how to bake bread. You don't need to be born on a farm to learn how to plant seeds and tend to a field.

It isn't easy, and you won't do it as well as someone who's been at it their whole life, but you can make ends meet - and learn the rest as you go.

Mass produced documentation is society's insulation against the dark ages.
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Much like we had the head start the last time in the form of surgical procedures and architectural design?
Again, think in terms of scale. There's probably more neurosurgeons on the planet right now than there were people in all of "Generic Ancient Culture That Invented Neurosurgery in 1400BC".

One bad earthquake or war or plague isn't likely to decimate the knowledge in the same way. You're going to need one hell of a disaster to globally replicate the same loss of knowledge that came from an ancient civilization of 400,000 people getting dinged a couple thousand years ago.
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I'm thinking of the 26,000 year global precession cycle.... which would mean every 13,000 years the Continents and Climate and Ice caps are going to go all weebly-woobly..


or just a nice comet.

If it all goes sliding into the ocean, there's a chance that any inhabitable dry land is going to be in a place that did not have a library or a watertight facilty to preserve knowledge..



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So i dont get it. There used to be a aunderwater city? Or did the oceans rise.


either ocean rise or lands sink.


although Cayce states that Atlantis "sunk" over many years or centuries, and that it broke apart into many islands first..

Edited, Mon Nov 14 13:27:51 2005 by Kelvyquayo
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
If it all goes sliding into the ocean, there's a chance that any inhabitable dry land is going to be in a place that did not have a library or a watertight facilty to preserve knowledge..
When Denver slides into the ocean, let me know Smiley: dubious
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#20 Nov 14 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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How does lake Titicaca (12507 feet above sea level), have ocean seashells?
Or how did the Black Sea get to have porpoises?


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Or Nature's slow progress. Lake Titicaca didn't get to be 12,000 feet in the air overnight. The Rockies won't become beachfront property over the course of a weekend.

We'll have plenty of time to move the books Smiley: laugh

Again, each of these cultures that invented this or that were fairly small by modern standards. Much of the knowledge was isolated. The Egyptians may have had batteries but they didn't do enough with them to make anyone else care to use them. There's enough kids with enough basic knowledge of electric storage and current on the planet to give every ancient Egyptian their own potato clock. You're not going to have a single flood, volcano or whatever wipe out that knowledge these days.
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
I'm thinking of the 26,000 year global precession cycle.... which would mean every 13,000 years the Continents and Climate and Ice caps are going to go all weebly-woobly..


or just a nice comet.

policy inc. Smiley: grin


But yeah, I don't see much cause to worry about losing our technological advancements. I find it more amusing to ponder what an alien might think about human beings if it landed here on the earth while we were all out to lunch.
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heh, ***** it. Put away the tinfoil hats and start supporting the exploration (and eventual colonization) of other planets in our solar system.

I've done continuity of operations work for the government before. There is no upper threshold to how far a disaster can go. Instead of asking `What if we lose a server`, you ask `What if we lose a building?` Instead of the building, what happens if you lose an entire complex, or an entire town?

There are indeed things that could wipe out life on Planet Earth. Some are natural (disasters of all stripes), some are manmade (nuclear war), some are really random (comet attack!). The only real solutoin is to make sure we've got people off-planet just in case this one buys the farm some day.

From there we have to plan for a case where the sun cools down, meaning redunant galaxies around redundant stars, and blah blah blah, the work just never stops. ;)
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Well, if we're talking about Pacific plate tectonics, the changes could have happened very suddenly or quite gradually, giving people time to move out and re-establish clones of their civilization. Of course they lacked print technology, so very likely we'll never know the whole story.

The preservation of a single sandstone building encompassing several square acres of area, though, leads me to believe it was a gradual sinking.
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#25 Nov 14 2005 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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`What if we lose a server`, you ask `What if we lose a building?` Instead of the building, what happens if you lose an entire complex, or an entire town?


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From there we have to plan for a case where the sun cools down, meaning redunant galaxies around redundant stars, and blah blah blah


I don't know about you but I have my ships stationed on 8 different planets in 6 different solar systems in 2 galaxies. Beat that for redundancy. You were talking about ogame right? Smiley: dubious




Edited, Mon Nov 14 14:11:32 2005 by Elderon
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Wingchild wrote:
`What if we lose a server`, you ask `What if we lose a building?` Instead of the building, what happens if you lose an entire complex, or an entire town?


Wingchild wrote:

From there we have to plan for a case where the sun cools down, meaning redunant galaxies around redundant stars, and blah blah blah


I don't know about you but I have my ships stationed on 8 different planets in 6 different solar systems in 2 galaxies. Beat that for redundancy. You were talking about ogame right? Smiley: dubious




Edited, Mon Nov 14 14:11:32 2005 by Elderon


everything is always about Ogame Smiley: grin

Speaking of which I was playing EQ2 last night and someone mentioned ogaming in guild chat. My hopes soared thinking there might yet be another person out there I semi knew who was as addicted as I. Sadly, its some site for EQ2 players to get info or something. My hopes were dashed and I had to show them the error of their ways, directing them to allas
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