What are the real issues of the U.S?Follow

eat my beliefs *****!! SWALLOW IT!!!! SWALLOW IT ALL!!!

Wow.. nothing like trying to force Christianity upon businesses through economic means. Jesus would be so proud.

Where have the tolerant and forgiving Christians gone? Were they all crucified?

yeah, it's nothing new.
fortunately, it's also nothing effective. they'll forget about it in like 3 weeks when the only place to get the new 'craze' doll of the year is one of the stores they boycotted.... suckers.

I remember back in the late '80s there was a whole uproar in my parent's church about Proctor & Gamble and everyone was told to boycott the whole organization because one of the upper management was rumored to be some kind of pagan. that lasted like 2 weeks, so it' stupid that they do stuff like that, but it's nothing to worry about.

I dont care what they believe or dont believe. I doubt anyone is offended by Merry Christmas. If they are, than they are in the wrong country. This country has a 85% Christian population. Thats like saying I wont go to Spain because im offended that they dont speak english.


I would hardly call protecting what has been in place for the last 100 years, shoving religion on anyone.


Tolarence has never been a good trait. IMO

Forgiveness is available for the asking. Sorry I didnt see you asking?

What exactly are you protecting? Has someone come to your chruch and said you cannot pray? You cannot worship God how you see fit? I'm still don't understand what it is that you think is being attacked?

"christians" like you are the reason i left the church.

It's all so fake. Forgiveness is available for the asking? one shouldn't have to ask. you shouldn't even have to think about it, forgiveness takes no thought and no effort, it just IS.

People like you spend so much time berating non-christians for thier non-christian ways that you really end up just making the whole religion look fake (which it is).

Apparently you havent been watching the news. Christainity is under attack. There are groups out there trying to erase any and all presence of God, religion or anything associated with it. This happening in our schools, our courthouses, and the private sector. In some parts of the country you can be fined for having nativity scene in your window ifs its viewable by the public. Schools are being banned from doing their christmas pageans. We no longer swear to God on the bible in our courthouses. There is even a movement to remove ( under God we trust) off our currency. Our children cannot, in parts of this country, sing silent night, its now been classified as a devotional song. It has gotten way out of hand and we the christians are finally organizing a defense.

I can make a good scriptural argument about why boycotting stores for failing to say "Merry Christmas" is wrong. Can you make a scriptural argument for why it's the right thing to do?

Or am I stereotyping Christians by assuming the scriptures matter to them?

To Jop: btw r u a christian? I would like to give you the opportunity to denouce God, or affirm if that is indeed the case.

Note: I dont speak for all christians. Therefore your remarks would be better directed at me instead of christians.

It's called a seperation between church and state. No one has kept you from praying in your church or your home. I hardly call that an attack on christianity.

I'd like to know where they fine private citizens for displaying the nativity scene in their private property home/window.

To pat: Now im a moron because i missed where he answered that?


What have I done to deserve that?

Defend my personal beliefs?
Defend my religion?
Defend my God?
Defend the moral majority?

I get dozens of rebuttals for my beliefs. How many do you think will give you crap for name calling? This is a perfect example of how christians have become to tolerant. All my fellow christians are not chiming in to help me out. I just have to endure the name calling from the 15%. No more. I maybe a christians but im also a man. I will push back when shoved. I wish I was more of a christian and maybe less of a man, but there it is.

Calling people names will never fill that big empty hole in your heart, Pat.

Awesome, the last score or so posts have really touched down on the REAL ISSUES OF THE U.S.; Religion. To all of those who have repeatedly used the fact that 85% of a population is christian to weigh their argument,you are quite hypocritical. The bible preaches human equality, love thy neighbour and the like, yet here are christians claiming that since they are the majority that they should dominate a country in even themost trivial ways. I am not sure if its an ammendment, since i am Canadian, but i know freedom of speech is still viable, although hardly so, in the United States. Seeing as how freedom of speech entails exactly what it states, how is it that 85% of a country can opress the other 15% with their selfrigetous beliefs.

Personally I believe that the phrase/greeting "merry christmas" is a non issue, seeing as how many people would say happy (forgive my spelling) haunnakua, or the like; Some stores and delis especially lol. I can believe in the idea of this though, for the phrase "happy holidays" is far less generalised and is a greeting that can be used without biast, or prejudist.


The real issue is the fact that 85% of a country proclaims to be christian, yet they have no qualms over killing innocent people through war. Also if 85% are christian that means that 85% (give or take 20 percent or so ) of the murders , rapists etc.. are also christian. Some say that they are blasphemers ,or what ever the popular term is at the time, but that is a triviality. If such a high rate of this percentage is willingly commiting sins,and im not talking gluttony even though the u.s. is largely filled with obese people (no offense), how is it that one may even use this "85%" as a fall back to get their way.

Val is right regretably. Many non christians may tresort to names and the like to get their point across, but "Bible thumping christian" is in itself, at least a minor, reality. The majority of christians will indoubtedly fall back on the "Enemy" as their defense. If they loose an argument over evolution or the millions of hypocracies in the bible, it is the "Enimie's " work.

This very enemy in itself is a fallen "archangel", who was created by god, yet not human. If this is true than god is far from perfect as Angels are not as flawed as we, in the eyes of christianity, and therefore would not have this issue. Is there one among us who truly believes that the first cro-magnon men and women have gone to hell for their sins. They did not know any better,there is no bible etched in stone next to an animal on a cave wall. So when cro-magnon men killed one another for survuival, as does all of nature, did they go to hell?Conversely, is heaven filled with stupid "cavemen" who were rigetous? They were human and therefore the same rules apply.

Another person brought up a very interesting point, just because a book has historical events in it does not mean that it is not fictional.Sure maybe Jesus was real, but maybe he was just nice guy who was delusional. Would we not lock a person ,who truly believes they are Jesus reborn, in a mental institution. Or better yet if he broke our laws in doing so, much as the original Jesus did in being perceived as a heritic. So therefore Christiananity could be but a cult held up throught the ages with an ever growing fan base due to the forced ingestion of ced book by parents.

If, for instance, I were to write a loosely defined book of slaughter with a righteous footnote now, and thousands of years later they uncovered it , could i not be the next jesus? Not only this but throughout history one book has spawned countless others , many of these others are radically different, how can this be so if god intervened on the original writing. Being perfect, would he not have gotten it right the first time. Everything since would therefore have been human interference and agenda (Have you read animal farm..... the commandments slowly get rounded out untill finally there is one absolute command!, which is what may happen in years to come if we keep warring over our faith and preaching what we do not pratice.)


These have been my two cents, please read what i have written i do not need someone else miss interpreting my words like when I said kill chrisitianity take it out of the government, i meant just that ,remove it from the government not kill it off entirely....read first then write.....

p.s. if your offended and want to rate me doiwn think...wwjd, then get back to me lmfao....



Edited, Fri Nov 25 20:43:30 2005 by fadedaway