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#27 Nov 11 2005 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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2. Do you think the Bush administration has high ethical standards or not? 
                                                  ALL 
                                                 ADULTS 
Yes, has high ethical standards ................. 41 
No, does not have high ethical 
standards ....................................... 57 
Refused/not sure ................................. 2

Jophiel wrote:

Almost six in 10 — 57 percent — said they do not think the Bush administration has high ethical standards

I don't see anything overly vague or misleading about the question nor the article's reporting of it. Any port in a storm, though.



Because if the article had be written this way:

"Over 40 percent of those polled believed that the Bush administration has high ethical standards"

No one would be linking it as an indicator that the Bush administration isn't very ethical. I guarantee you. It's all about the writing. Yes the factual statements are identical either way, but if it had been written the way I just wrote it, you'd not have thought it represented anything wrong or bad.

Edited, Fri Nov 11 20:52:29 2005 by gbaji
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#28 Nov 11 2005 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
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Well the only way to tell if the Associated Press is really the "DAMN LIBERAL MEDIA" and not just telling a story about a president that is in trouble you would have to use the "Way back machine" and see if they didnt post any similar stories when Clinton was going through his scandals?

I'm pretty sure they did, now would that disprove your liberal media claim and show that instead its just another case of the media liking to pick on a president in trouble because it sells print?
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#30 Nov 11 2005 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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Well the only way to tell if the Associated Press is really the "DAMN LIBERAL MEDIA" and not just telling a story about a president that is in trouble you would have to use the "Way back machine" and see if they didnt post any similar stories when Clinton was going through his scandals?

I'm pretty sure they did, now would that disprove your liberal media claim and show that instead its just another case of the media liking to pick on a president in trouble because it sells print?


I'm sure they did as well. That's not the point. I'm just pointing out that the article itself is spun in the way it's written.

If it was an honest representation of the poll, why reverse the language of the questions? Clearly, it does make a perceptual difference in the reader whether you say that "over 40% believe the Bush administration to have a high standard of ethics" versus "almost 60% believe the Bush administration to not have a high standard of ethics". So clearly, the writer deliberately choose to present the facts in the worst manner possible.


I just find it amusing that I'm being asked to "spin" something that's already been spun...
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#31 Nov 11 2005 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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If it was an honest representation of the poll, why reverse the language of the questions? Clearly, it does make a perceptual difference in the reader whether you say that "over 40% believe the Bush administration to have a high standard of ethics" versus "almost 60% believe the Bush administration to not have a high standard of ethics". So clearly, the writer deliberately choose to present the facts in the worst manner possible.


Even if it is written in the manner you suggest, i.e. over 40% believe the Bush administration to not have a high standard of ethics, you still have difficulty spinning that in a positive light.

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#32 Nov 11 2005 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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If it was an honest representation of the poll, why reverse the language of the questions? Clearly, it does make a perceptual difference in the reader whether you say that "over 40% believe the Bush administration to have a high standard of ethics" versus "almost 60% believe the Bush administration to not have a high standard of ethics". So clearly, the writer deliberately choose to present the facts in the worst manner possible.


Even if it is written in the manner you suggest, i.e. over 40% believe the Bush administration to not have a high standard of ethics, you still have difficulty spinning that in a positive light.

--DK


Hehe. Just to show how the original spin is still affecting your perception of the statistics. Note that you *still* are reading it wrong. Stop putting the "not" in there.


Read the statement:

"Over 40% of those polled believed that the Bush administration has a high standard of ethics".

Period. That's what they were asked. That's how many said yes. It does make a *huge* difference in how the statistic is percieved when you reverse the statements. So much so, that even after I pointed it out, you still have a hard time re-wording it back to it's proper alignment (you're still trying to put the negative "not" in there with the 40% figure).


That's how the writing style influences your view of something. You've been "spun", but don't even realize it.
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#33 Nov 11 2005 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let's just go with the solid number. "Over 40" is just as much spin, especially when the real number is barely over the 40 mark.

"41% of those polled believed that the Bush administration has a high standard of ethics"

To which I say, "That's a pretty shi[/i]tty number, especially for people who claimed to 'restore' dignity and ethics to the White House."

[i]Edited, Fri Nov 11 22:52:09 2005 by Jophiel
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#34 Nov 11 2005 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
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Spin this, Pubbies!


You shpin me right round ba-hic!-bee right round like a record baybee, ri-hic!- right right round rouuuuun *thud*

Finally, a spin I can get behind!
#35 Nov 11 2005 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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"41% of those polled believed that the Bush administration has a high standard of ethics"

To which I say, "That's a pretty ****** number, especially for people who claimed to 'restore' dignity and ethics to the White House."


Exactly the point I was making before I made a typo.

--DK
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