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#52 Nov 10 2005 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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What hypocrites the evolution bunch are. They argue from a supposed perspective of science when there's no evidence proving their "theory" is in fact true. It's not the truth the evolution bunch are supporting but their own antipathy for anything resembling religion; which is understandable.


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What hypocrites the quantum physicists are. They argue from a supposed perspective of science when there's no evidence proving their "theory" is in fact true. It's not the truth the quantum physicists bunch are supporting their own antipathy for anything resembling religion.


It'd make as much sense.
#53 Nov 10 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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The difference is a quantum theory guy is much more likely to tell you that it's all guesswork anyway, and nobody really knows the truth. Constant questioning and attempts at discovering the nature of reality is what science is all about.

I'm not counting the fanatics of a given theory however. Fanatics of any sort are just as hypocritical.
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#54 Nov 10 2005 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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From the title I was sure this post was gonna be about Gbaji.

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#55REDACTED, Posted: Nov 10 2005 at 11:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) In this exploration for the true nature of reality should we not consider one of the oldest living texts to be of some import, if for no other reason than the historical significance? The zealots of any religion would have you believe their particular insanity, this is no excuse to exclude the research and study of the bible. Alas now we swerve directly into the separation from church and state arguement, which isn't specifically mentioned in the consitution but as revisionists would have it that's what the founding fathers intended.
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In this exploration for the true nature of reality should we not consider one of the oldest living texts to be of some import, if for no other reason than the historical significance?
For studying history, philosophy, sociology, etc? Sure. For biological science? Not so much.

"Oldest living text" doesn't mean much more than that you won the right wars and gained power in the right political movements to keep your text around throughout history. It doesn't mean your text is credible or accurate.
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#57 Nov 10 2005 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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More to the point, science must not believe the fallacy of age - that things are better because they are older. Science is based on continued questioning, a refinement of existing knowledge, a moving-forward in our understanding.

Taking up an old book and saying "This is old, therefore it is significant" ascribes an artificial value to the work. It's age does not impart scientific significance.
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achileez wrote:
Granted...It has no place in the natural sciences; but it most definitly should be required reading in a history setting.
I'd say acknowledgement of it and perhaps looking at a few choice books would be of benefit but I don't think a reading of the Old Testament as a whole would be fruitful for teaching history. There's far more books that can sum up ancient history far more concisely.

I've no problem with the notion of the Bible being taught in an academic sense. I took a Bible as Lit course in college that would have worked fine in a high school setting. My senior year of high school, I took College Comp, Science Fiction Literature and Film Studies as elective English courses. Having a Bible as Lit course as an elective doesn't bristle my hair in the least. But that's neither here nor there when discussing Intelligent Design and Biology class.
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