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#1 Oct 27 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
How hard would it be to port OSX onto the Playstation3 when it comes out? If you want to know about the hardware I have access to a lot of information. But, considering the PS3s proc is largely based on PPU design, what difficulties would there be in getting OSX up and running with a PS3 that has a hard drive?
#2 Oct 27 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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#3 Oct 27 2005 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
Lefein wrote:
How hard would it be to port OSX onto the Playstation3 when it comes out? If you want to know about the hardware I have access to a lot of information. But, considering the PS3s proc is largely based on PPU design, what difficulties would there be in getting OSX up and running with a PS3 that has a hard drive?


Hmm....not that easy, but it could be done.

If one can make a linux box out of the PS2, there is no reason why a PS3 couldnt be made an OSX box.

Here's the argument:

http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/140220

This looks promising:

http://blog.hardmac.com/archives/osx-on-ps3-a-possibility-or-a-reality


#4 Oct 27 2005 at 12:51 PM Rating: Good
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Depends on how good you are, how strong the drm is, and if you can get the OSX code to compile nicely for the Cell architecture.
#5 Oct 27 2005 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
Sweet, thanks for the read PP.
#6 Oct 27 2005 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
AngryUndead wrote:
Depends on how good you are, how strong the drm is, and if you can get the OSX code to compile nicely for the Cell architecture.


If you read the second link I provided, you'd see that maybe it's going to be REALLY easy to do this. Seems like PS3 is partnering a bit WITH Apple to make this happen.

#7 Oct 27 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Caught by the old RTFA, rookie mistake.
#8 Oct 27 2005 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Caught by the old RTFA, rookie mistake.


No biggie, just thought you'd find it interesting.

XBox360/Microsoft
PS3/Apple

The lines are being drawn.

:)
#9 Oct 27 2005 at 1:23 PM Rating: Good
Who do you see coming out on top?

Personally I'm a fan of the PS3, but it seems that the war over the next generation of DVD is going to be big.

Just curious to hear an opinion of someone technologically inclined, as I'm not Smiley: grin
#10 Oct 27 2005 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
Hmm, I wonder how well MaconLinux would run if it turns out that the HDD in the PS3 will only have Linux on it after it's all said and done.

Although, if Steve Jobs gives his blessings for OSx to go to the PS3 natively... I'd go out and buy ten iPods in support of his company!
#11 Oct 27 2005 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
Wintaru wrote:
Who do you see coming out on top?

Personally I'm a fan of the PS3, but it seems that the war over the next generation of DVD is going to be big.

Just curious to hear an opinion of someone technologically inclined, as I'm not Smiley: grin


The PS3 will definitely be on top because of the nature of how they deal with developers. MS makes it VERY hard on people wanting to develop games. THe typical, MS attitude is very condescending.

Sony, on the other hand, really works WITH the developers to ensure that games are well made and they give help whenever they can.

This translates into more games for the PS3. More games = more install base. More install base = more money for Sony.

The DVD thing will fall on the side of the winner.
#12 Oct 27 2005 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
The only movie studio that doesn't support Blue-Ray is Universal Studios. They are expected to fall as well, since they will be the odd-man-out in the format war. Also, Blue-Ray is supported by HP and Dell. Although, HP is kinda flip flopping lately. Dell will definitely be able to stick around because the BD-ROM offers the amount of storage capacity they want.

MS has been playing pretty dirty with the HD-DVD thing. Since Blue-Ray dropped support of iHD in preference to JavaHD as its interactive layer, MS has been trying to drum up support against Sony. Seriously, I dont think an OS maker and a Chip maker (Intel) can really make as big an impact as people claim. After all, if the movie industry supports a format, then the general consumer will gravitate towards that format. What is Intel or MS going to do about it? Drop support of the leading technology and risk handing over the OS business to another company? The funny thing is Apple supports Blue-Ray and will be changing to Intel processors soon. So, a major OS that supports BlueRay will be using Intel chips that throw their weight behind HD-DVD... I'd love to see Intel trash a lucrative partnership with Apple over a pissing battle between MS and Sony. It won't amount to anything when push comes to shove.
#13 Oct 27 2005 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
That makes sense. I remember reading a while back about all of the major studios supporting blu-ray, and now it seems that blu-ray wil be able to store more data than HD-DVD by the time it goes public.
#14 Oct 27 2005 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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pickleprince wrote:
The PS3 will definitely be on top because of the nature of how they deal with developers. MS makes it VERY hard on people wanting to develop games. THe typical, MS attitude is very condescending.


I see what you're saying here, but it sounds like the Cell processor is going to both up the development costs for games and make it quite difficult to port games to other systems.

Thing is, making difficult to port games could be either a blessing or a curse for Sony in the long run. Longtime Sony developers will probably stick to the PS3, and will be pretty much stuck there unless they want to develop something exclusively for the XB360 or Nintendo Revolution. However, with the upping of development costs Cell causes, many beginning developers making tomorrow's classics might choose to migrate towards other systems.

It'll be interesting to see what comes of it, though I believe Sony will continue to stay on top. With all the support behind Sony already, I can't see Blu-ray simply becoming a flop.
#15 Oct 27 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
Mark Rein of Epic has pretty much flat out said that development costs aren't going to rise as dramatically as some people are saying. They said that they have something like 20 or 30 people making Gears of War and that some game develoers are just going on paranoid schizo mode.

Also, when you consider that the PS2 only had 2,000 tools on it's final SDK and the PS3 will have 20,000 (yes, thats twenty-thousand!) tools on it's final SDK.. It's kind of hard to say that PS3 development will be a huge headache. After all, they have IBM building their compilers for them, and that is damn good news!

The reason why a lot of Dev houses are belly-aching right now is because the PS3 beta kits are quite rudimentary, but at least they feature final hardware components or close derivatives. Compare that to the 360, where early dev kits were nothing more than twin G5 Macs... It's been a war between software and hardware LITERALLY for developers..
#16 Oct 27 2005 at 3:22 PM Rating: Decent
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pickleprince wrote:
The PS3 will definitely be on top because of the nature of how they deal with developers. MS makes it VERY hard on people wanting to develop games. THe typical, MS attitude is very condescending.


I see what you're saying here, but it sounds like the Cell processor is going to both up the development costs for games and make it quite difficult to port games to other systems.

Thing is, making difficult to port games could be either a blessing or a curse for Sony in the long run. Longtime Sony developers will probably stick to the PS3, and will be pretty much stuck there unless they want to develop something exclusively for the XB360 or Nintendo Revolution. However, with the upping of development costs Cell causes, many beginning developers making tomorrow's classics might choose to migrate towards other systems.

It'll be interesting to see what comes of it, though I believe Sony will continue to stay on top. With all the support behind Sony already, I can't see Blu-ray simply becoming a flop.


You are correct that development costs for PS3 game is very high. XBox is bit less. Nintendo Revolution will do what Nintendo always does rely on in house games.

The higher cost of producing the next-gen games( esp. PS3) is and will winnow down the number of developers. It's already happening. But smaller developers will continue to make (yep) PS2 games. Making their name in the lower ranks before getting the clout to make PS3 games.

#17 Oct 27 2005 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
By the way, this thread is so game developer-geek it's verging on #12.

Smiley: cool

#18 Oct 27 2005 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I read it, but I didn't understand a thing.
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#20 Oct 27 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
This is what we talk about all night long in my Game Design class.

You'd go apoplectic with sploogosity.
#21 Oct 27 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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They said Colecovision > Intellivision.

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#22 Oct 27 2005 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
I read it, but I didn't understand a thing.
They said Colecovision > Intellivision.


Ahhh...

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#23 Oct 27 2005 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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#24 Oct 27 2005 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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Lefein wrote:
Also, when you consider that the PS2 only had 2,000 tools on it's final SDK and the PS3 will have 20,000 (yes, thats twenty-thousand!) tools on it's final SDK.. It's kind of hard to say that PS3 development will be a huge headache. After all, they have IBM building their compilers for them, and that is damn good news!


Well... One can also argue that having 10 times as many tools to ultimately do the same thing (are the games going to have 10 times as many "new" features?), will cause a lot more headaches. There's certainly going to be a significant learning curve for developers.

Sometimes, simple is better...
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#25 Oct 27 2005 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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pickleprince wrote:
Nintendo Revolution will do what Nintendo always does rely on in house games.


Actually, it looks as if Nintendo is trying to attract the less financially great developers by making its system a bit less powerful the others. (though still having a jump from the GameCube) I have a feeling lots of people are going to pick it up just so that they can download the classics.

Instead of developing for the PS2, they may very well develop for the Revolution, instead. However, with the PS2 having been fully explored, everyone now knows its limits and the best ways to tap its full potential. Then again, they might jump to the Revolution just so they can say that they're developing for the big ones, it makes them seem less second-rate.
#26 Oct 27 2005 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I read it, but I didn't understand a thing.


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