Iran Leader Calls for Israel's Destruction
10/26/2005
Associated Press/AP Online
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line president called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and said a new wave of Palestinian attacks will destroy the Jewish state, state-run media reported Wednesday.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also denounced attempts to recognize Israel or normalize relations with it.
"There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad told students Wednesday during a Tehran conference called "The World without Zionism."
"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury, (while) any (Islamic leader) who recognizes the Zionist regime means he is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world," Ahmadinejad said.
Ahmadinejad also repeated the words of the founder of Iran's Islamic revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who called for the destruction of Israel.
"As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, who came to power in August and replaced Mohammad Khatami, a reformist who advocated international dialogue and tried to improve Iran's relations with the West.
Ahmadinejad referred to Israel's recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a "trick," saying Gaza was already a part of Palestinian lands and the pullout was designed to win acknowledgment of Israel by Islamic states.
"The fighting in Palestine is a war between the (whole) Islamic nation and the world of arrogance," Ahmadinejad said, using Tehran's propaganda epithet for the United States and Israel. "Today, Palestinians are representing the Islamic nation against arrogance."
Iran does not recognize the existence of Israel and has often called for its destruction.
Israel has been at the forefront of nations calling and end to Iran's nuclear program, which the United States and many others in the West say is aimed at acquiring weapons of mass destruction. Iran says the program is for generating electricity.
White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Ahmadinejad's comment "reconfirms what we have been saying about the regime in Iran. It underscores the concerns we have about Iran's nuclear intentions."
French Foreign Minister Jean-Baptiste Mattei condemned Ahmadinejad's remarks "with the utmost firmness."
Harsh words for Israel are common in Iran, especially at this time of year, the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. In Iran, this Friday - the last Muslim day of prayer in the Ramadan holiday - has been declared Quds Day, or Jerusalem Day. Rallies were slated in support of Palestinians - and against Israel's occupation of parts of the city and other Palestinian lands.
Other Iranian politicians also have issued anti-Israeli statements, in attempts to whip up support for Friday's nationwide Quds Day demonstrations.
But Ahmadinejad's strident anti-Israeli statements on the eve of the demonstration were harsher than those issued during the term of the reformist Khatami and harkened back to Khomeini's fiery speeches. Ahmadinejad was a longtime member of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, which even operates a division dubbed the Quds Division, a rhetorical reference to Tehran's hopes of one day ending Israel's domination of Islam's third-holiest city.
After his election, Ahmadinejad received the support of the powerful hard-line Revolutionary Guards, who report directly to supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Last year, a senior member of the guards attended a meeting that called for and accepted applications for suicide bombers to target U.S. troops and Israelis.
Iran announced earlier this year that it had fully developed solid fuel technology for missiles, a major breakthrough that increases their accuracy.
The Shahab-3, with a range of 810 miles to 1,200 miles, is capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel and U.S. forces in the Middle East.
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Rhetoric, Iran knows full well that GW has been itching for a reason to burn them off of the map. Bombing Isreal or U.S. forces in the middle east would definatly not end well for them and they know it.
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Hm. Iran was looking like it was going to be next, anyways. Now that there's talk of wrapping up Iraq, Bush needed something else to occupy him.
Yep. Only difference this time around, is that we'd actually have justification for pounding them into oblivion.
The things said by Ahmadinejad , made my stomach churn.
The things said by Ahmadinejad , made my stomach churn.
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Yep. Only difference this time around, is that we'd actually have justification for pounding them into oblivion.
Are you saying we weren't justified going into Iraq?
Why do you hate America?
Edit: Forgot the
Edited, Wed Oct 26 13:47:52 2005 by allenjj
What's so fun about all of this is that the Arab world largely ignores Palestine as an embarrassing ne'er-do-well relative until they need a talking point. Then it's all "Oh, poor Palestine, consider the plight of our fellow Arabs!"
When it's time to find some land to carve out a permanent homeland for Palestine, though, everyone's suddenly far too busy with other concerns.
When it's time to find some land to carve out a permanent homeland for Palestine, though, everyone's suddenly far too busy with other concerns.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Hmm. Calls for the destruction of Israel, eh. Must be Wednesday already..
Samira wrote:
When it's time to find some land to carve out a permanent homeland for Palestine, though, everyone's suddenly far too busy with other concerns.
Um, Duh. They don't need to if they kick the jews out!
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Why do you hate America?
Uh no, sorry...
Bin Laden, not Sadaam was responsible for 9/11.
But even before the state of Israel was established, there was no Palestinian state - it was an historical region in the Ottoman Empire, but not a separate country. Israel was carved out of the "Palestinian area" among Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Palestinians were basically squatters.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
But even before the state of Israel was established, there was no Palestinian state - it was an historical region in the Ottoman Empire, but not a separate country. Israel was carved out of the "Palestinian area" among Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Palestinians were basically squatters.
An historical? How were they squatters? Like the Native Americans? I just don't buy that argument, but I know I'm in the minority.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Samira wrote:
But even before the state of Israel was established, there was no Palestinian state - it was an historical region in the Ottoman Empire, but not a separate country. Israel was carved out of the "Palestinian area" among Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Palestinians were basically squatters.
An historical? How were they squatters? Like the Native Americans? I just don't buy that argument, but I know I'm in the minority.
If you call Abraham a squatter.
Prince pickleprince wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Samira wrote:
But even before the state of Israel was established, there was no Palestinian state - it was an historical region in the Ottoman Empire, but not a separate country. Israel was carved out of the "Palestinian area" among Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Palestinians were basically squatters.
An historical? How were they squatters? Like the Native Americans? I just don't buy that argument, but I know I'm in the minority.
If you call Abraham a squatter.
I could, will, and do. Aren't we all? Didn't everyplace originally belong to someplace else, and aren't we all within our rights to fight for it and win or lose?
WriteMindedLefty wrote:
Uh no, sorry...
Bin Laden, not Sadaam was responsible for 9/11.
Bin Laden, not Sadaam was responsible for 9/11.
/whoosh
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Prince pickleprince wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Samira wrote:
But even before the state of Israel was established, there was no Palestinian state - it was an historical region in the Ottoman Empire, but not a separate country. Israel was carved out of the "Palestinian area" among Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Palestinians were basically squatters.
An historical? How were they squatters? Like the Native Americans? I just don't buy that argument, but I know I'm in the minority.
If you call Abraham a squatter.
I could, will, and do. Aren't we all? Didn't everyplace originally belong to someplace else, and aren't we all within our rights to fight for it and win or lose?
Why Flea, I didn't realize you were an anarchist!
Prince pickleprince wrote:
Why Flea, I didn't realize you were an anarchist!
Not at all.
As children (assuming you live in America here), how do we go from singing "This land is your land, this land is my land...this land was made for you and me."
-to...
Edited, Wed Oct 26 14:47:23 2005 by WriteMindedLefty
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I could, will, and do. Aren't we all? Didn't everyplace originally belong to someplace else, and aren't we all within our rights to fight for it and win or lose?
Edited, Wed Oct 26 14:47:23 2005 by WriteMindedLefty
allenjj wrote:
WriteMindedLefty wrote:
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Uh no, sorry...
Bin Laden, not Sadaam was responsible for 9/11.
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/whoosh
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Uh no, sorry...
Bin Laden, not Sadaam was responsible for 9/11.
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/whoosh
damn... beat me to it
What I meant was, there was no country called Palestine, where the Palestinians roamed free on the veldt with the occasional break for a quick Parliament. They were nomadic, traveling over the borders of Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
Nomadic people tend to have problems when arbitrary borders are drawn and they're told they can no longer be nomadic. In that, Palestinians are no different than Kurds and Vakhan Turks - other nomadic Arab subgroups that Arab countries feel perfectly free to kick around at will.
Nomadic people tend to have problems when arbitrary borders are drawn and they're told they can no longer be nomadic. In that, Palestinians are no different than Kurds and Vakhan Turks - other nomadic Arab subgroups that Arab countries feel perfectly free to kick around at will.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
WriteMindedLefty the Venerable wrote:
As children (assuming you live in America here), how do we go from singing "This land is your land, this land is my land...this land was made for you and me."
-to...
Edited, Wed Oct 26 14:47:23 2005 by WriteMindedLefty
-to...
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I could, will, and do. Aren't we all? Didn't everyplace originally belong to someplace else, and aren't we all within our rights to fight for it and win or lose?
Edited, Wed Oct 26 14:47:23 2005 by WriteMindedLefty
Our national anthem mentions rockets, bub. Ya'll are leaving out the point that there are more Jews residing in the USofA than in Israel so regardless of what you believe, Israel isn't going anywhere. At Temple they were ALWAYS doing collections for Israel to support people making Alyah (the return).
Abraham was the father of both Ismael & Issac. Ismael was to begat Islam & Issac Judiasm, not Abraham.
Playing Devils advocate, even IF there were to be a Palastinian state there would be no peace in the middle east. As a Jew my sympathies lie with Israel but my husband, who is a Gentile is quick to point out many of the attrocities commited by the Jews including those that were directed at our(America's) military. So, we can agree that there is wrong on both sides and resolve to solve nothing.
Where we go wrong in all these peace talks is trying to force a different culture to abide by our idea of culture. As a country,we are a teenager trying to lecture an elderly veteran on how he/she should live their life.It never seems to work well for us and we never learn from it.
coincidentally, back to the this land is my land song..I remember in elementary school it would get changed into "This land is my land, not your land so get the hell off before I blow your head off..."
Edited, Wed Oct 26 15:19:16 2005 by niobia
Samira wrote:
What I meant was, there was no country called Palestine, where the Palestinians roamed free on the veldt with the occasional break for a quick Parliament. They were nomadic, traveling over the borders of Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
Nomadic people tend to have problems when arbitrary borders are drawn and they're told they can no longer be nomadic. In that, Palestinians are no different than Kurds and Vakhan Turks - other nomadic Arab subgroups that Arab countries feel perfectly free to kick around at will.
Nomadic people tend to have problems when arbitrary borders are drawn and they're told they can no longer be nomadic. In that, Palestinians are no different than Kurds and Vakhan Turks - other nomadic Arab subgroups that Arab countries feel perfectly free to kick around at will.
I don't disagree with any of that.
WriteMindedLefty the Venerable wrote:
As children (assuming you live in America here), how do we go from singing "This land is your land, this land is my land...this land was made for you and me."
-to...
-to...
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I could, will, and do. Aren't we all? Didn't everyplace originally belong to someplace else, and aren't we all within our rights to fight for it and win or lose?
Never sang it, so I don't know.
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Abraham was the father of both Ismael & Issac. Ismael was to begat Islam & Issac Judiasm, not Abraham.
/whoosh
My whole point was shaded with the fact that Abraham (a person who hailed from a town called Ur in modern day Iraq) was the common ancestor of Judaism and Islam.AND that they have a common ethnic ancestry.
Prince pickleprince wrote:
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Abraham was the father of both Ismael & Issac. Ismael was to begat Islam & Issac Judiasm, not Abraham.
/whoosh
My whole point was shaded with the fact that Abraham (a person who hailed from a town called Ur in modern day Iraq) was the common ancestor of Judaism and Islam.AND that they have a common ethnic ancestry.
I know. Thats why I said that there will never be peace.
Nice shoes.
Edited, Wed Oct 26 16:56:10 2005 by niobia
There will never be peace because the issue itself is too thorny for a proper resolution. The last five or ten years don't matter at all; to get a handle on it you have to go back to 1918, the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, and the granting of the British Mandate over the region in 1922.
The 20s and 30s saw the start of the (final?) Zionist movement, the return to Israel. Some of the people that went to set up the kibbutzim (agrilcutural communes) were high minded idealists, some were driven by religion, some by nationalism, and some were anarchistic extremists -- indeed, you can argue that all the various makeups found in the Palestinian population were present in the Jews as well. There are plenty of documented cases of armed groups of young Jewish men attacking Palestinians and so forth. (The shoe has changed feet more times than can be counted here.)
You also had a bunch of Jews that felt the 'Zionist movement' was bunk, that the United States was Zion, and so forth. No political movement is without it's dissenters.
Skip ahead to the late 30s, and the Zionist movement is in full swing; Jews are starting to come in from the European countries due to the growing anti-semitism. The Arabs in the region have realized that the Jews aren't just working out some personal issues, they're here to stay, and by 1936 riots are breaking out. In 1939 Britain tried to cap Jewish immigration to the region (still under their mandate) at which point some Jews formed two separate military groups to attack both the British and the Arabs that were standing against them (see previous note about extremists on both sides).
WW2 ends, and we learn of the Holocaust. Jewish sympathy was at an all time high, so further emmigration to Israel from other countries was generally permitted. Britain had it's hands full with trying to keep the native arabs (including our nomadic Palestinians) and the transplant jews from murdering each other, but by 1947 decided they had enough and announced their intention to withdraw from administering the region.
The newly formed UN voted to split the Palestine region into a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as a shared city (sound familiar? sound at all like recent peace accords?). Can you guess what happened?
Right! Civil conflict! The Jews and the Arabs started killing each other! Again!
On May 15 1948 (I think), Britain's mandate over the region was set to expire; on May 14th Israel signed it's own declaration of independance and asked for recognition as a new state. Woot, now there's an (unofficial) Jewish country in the middle of Arab lands. Can you guess what happened?
Right! Open warfare! The Arab states hated the partition plan that the UN offerd, and six surrounding nations attacked Israel in a series of fights that ran for the next fifteen months.
The UN then totally drops the ball and it's partitioning plan, refuses to enforce any kind of rule in the region, refuses to take any side, and basically lets the situation fester for nearly sixty years, stopping only to make snide comments in one direction or the other, or to write resolutions condeming the latest bit of warfare, terrorism, zionism, whateverism they feel like blathering on about.
Small wonder it's such a pain to fix this situation.
The 20s and 30s saw the start of the (final?) Zionist movement, the return to Israel. Some of the people that went to set up the kibbutzim (agrilcutural communes) were high minded idealists, some were driven by religion, some by nationalism, and some were anarchistic extremists -- indeed, you can argue that all the various makeups found in the Palestinian population were present in the Jews as well. There are plenty of documented cases of armed groups of young Jewish men attacking Palestinians and so forth. (The shoe has changed feet more times than can be counted here.)
You also had a bunch of Jews that felt the 'Zionist movement' was bunk, that the United States was Zion, and so forth. No political movement is without it's dissenters.
Skip ahead to the late 30s, and the Zionist movement is in full swing; Jews are starting to come in from the European countries due to the growing anti-semitism. The Arabs in the region have realized that the Jews aren't just working out some personal issues, they're here to stay, and by 1936 riots are breaking out. In 1939 Britain tried to cap Jewish immigration to the region (still under their mandate) at which point some Jews formed two separate military groups to attack both the British and the Arabs that were standing against them (see previous note about extremists on both sides).
WW2 ends, and we learn of the Holocaust. Jewish sympathy was at an all time high, so further emmigration to Israel from other countries was generally permitted. Britain had it's hands full with trying to keep the native arabs (including our nomadic Palestinians) and the transplant jews from murdering each other, but by 1947 decided they had enough and announced their intention to withdraw from administering the region.
The newly formed UN voted to split the Palestine region into a Jewish state and a Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as a shared city (sound familiar? sound at all like recent peace accords?). Can you guess what happened?
Right! Civil conflict! The Jews and the Arabs started killing each other! Again!
On May 15 1948 (I think), Britain's mandate over the region was set to expire; on May 14th Israel signed it's own declaration of independance and asked for recognition as a new state. Woot, now there's an (unofficial) Jewish country in the middle of Arab lands. Can you guess what happened?
Right! Open warfare! The Arab states hated the partition plan that the UN offerd, and six surrounding nations attacked Israel in a series of fights that ran for the next fifteen months.
The UN then totally drops the ball and it's partitioning plan, refuses to enforce any kind of rule in the region, refuses to take any side, and basically lets the situation fester for nearly sixty years, stopping only to make snide comments in one direction or the other, or to write resolutions condeming the latest bit of warfare, terrorism, zionism, whateverism they feel like blathering on about.
Small wonder it's such a pain to fix this situation.
Not to mention that the Palestinians fought against the Germans in WW2 and were promised that Palestinian homeland in return for their efforts.
WriteMindedLefty the Venerable wrote:
As children (assuming you live in America here), how do we go from singing "This land is your land, this land is my land...this land was made for you and me."
This land ain't your land
I got a shotgun
And you ain't got one
If you don't get off
I'll blow your head off
This land was made for me, not you
At least that's how *WE* sang it
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