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#1 Oct 26 2005 at 10:22 AM Rating: Decent
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So I am starting to entertain the idea of proposing to my gal (next year sometime). I find the concept of not buying a ring, then letting the girl choose a ring according to a given budget to be distasteful and unromantic.

That practice seems to be popular these days, so a girl is guaranteed a ring that she likes. Should I risk buying one myself?
#2 Oct 26 2005 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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If she hasn't dragged you into a jewlery store to fawn over the ring she wants, then you are doing something wrong.

But what do I know, since I seem to be 10 years behind everyone else.
#3 Oct 26 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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My mother insists that the woman should select a ring since she has the wear it. The ladyfriend expresses the opinion that (should the day come) she'd rather be suprised with something although she's happy to give general opinions and impressions of what type and style she'd like.

Personally, I find the idea of "Pick a ring and pretend to be suprised" dreadfully unromantic and anticlimatic. But I'm a traditionalist. I'd rather spend the time learning a range of what she'd enjoy and selecting from there so it's still a suprise when you get down on one knee but she's also not wondering what the hell you were thinking when you bought the ring.
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#4 Oct 26 2005 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I went with the safe approach and let her pick out the style, cut, etc. There are some basics that you should know before you go out looking on your own.

If I am going to spend 2 months salary (or whatever ridiculous amount you choose), I'd rather make sure she absolutely loves it rather than likes it solely because I bought it.
#5 Oct 26 2005 at 10:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's also the simple point of asking her which she prefers. I'm sure you can somehow bring up rings into a conversation about other friends/family who have recently wed or are engaged without saying "Hey, I might wanna propose but don't know what to do..."
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#6 Oct 26 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't let her pick it out, but find out (as discreetly as possible) the cut of diamond that she prefers and the type of metal. After you know those two things (plus her ring size), you can get creative with whether or not you want small stones on either side of the main stone, if you want to do engraving on the inside, etc. Even if she suspects you're getting her a ring, she won't know for sure what it looks like but you'll be confident that she'll love it since you have a pretty good idea of her taste.

For example, I never saw the ring my ex picked out before he got it, but he knew that I preferred Marquis cut and silver colored metals (white gold/platinum/etc) over yellow gold. He picked out a gorgeous ring going on that and I was still surprised. :)

Nexa

P.S. Congratulations even just for thinking about it, it must mean you are happy :)
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#7 Oct 26 2005 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Go with her basic style of dress and home decor for tips, or do what most smart boys do and drag her best friend/mother/sister along. Then you'll be guaranteed the element of surprise, AND a ring she'll like.
#8 Oct 26 2005 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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I chose my ring but in all honesty I would rather have not. Husband was so worried that I wouldnt like his taste that I was dragged to the store.

I may be a minority for girls, but for me it's the thought that counts behind the ring itself, not the ring alone. Even if it was a hideous thing, I'd still cherish it knowing my husband had taken the time to find one he thought I would like.

If you're unsure of her style in jewels you can always steal her best GF and have her come ring shopping with your. Your lady's best friend should have an idea of what might work. And if your GF doesnt like the ring you can always blame it on her friend Smiley: grin
#9 Oct 26 2005 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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If she hasn't dragged you into a jewlery store to fawn over the ring she wants, then you are doing something wrong.


Might have something to do with me saying "don't get any ideas missy" everytime I see her eyes drawn to a jewelery store. Got to keep a girl on her toes.

It is pretty hard to find out even what type of ring a girl likes without heavily hinting that a proposal is incoming. I do have pretty good taste for a straight guy (you have seen my Monkey thong, for example). Maybe I will just trust my ability to be discerning.
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Nexa wrote:
For example, I never saw the ring my ex picked out
Not to hijack but is this the current member of the family drama or was there a prior run around the block?

I was just wondering if you're referring to the father of your child as the "ex"
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#11 Oct 26 2005 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
One thing that I have seen work really well is to go to a store with a 100% value exchange policy and just pick out a solitaire, set in a simple band. Then after you pop the question, if she says yes, the two of you can go pick out something she will be happy wearing for the next 2 or 3 years until the divorce.
#12 Oct 26 2005 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not to hijack but is this the current member of the family drama or was there a prior run around the block?

I was just wondering if you're referring to the father of your child as the "ex"


The plot thickens, eh?

haha, no, I was once engaged to my highschool sweetheart, but we broke up during my freshman year at college (primarily because he wanted me to drop out and just be a wife and mother...not that there is anything wrong with that but it's not me).

My husband (father of child) and I are still together. We never did the ring thing though. I'm thinking we might at least get bands sometime in the next couple of years, haha.

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#13 Oct 26 2005 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Moe's suggestion is about one step removed from giving your bride-to-be a gift certificate to Kay's Smiley: laugh
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#14 Oct 26 2005 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Not to hijack but is this the current member of the family drama or was there a prior run around the block?

I must admit, I noticed and was wondering as well. Inquiring minds, and all that.
#15 Oct 26 2005 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
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...for the next 2 or 3 years until the divorce.

Very good.
#16 Oct 26 2005 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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I do have pretty good taste for a straight guy (you have seen my Monkey thong, for example). Maybe I will just trust my ability to be discerning.

Go for it. Just note what type of jewelry she usually wears and what kind of style she has. If she's a conservative gal who doesn't much like jewelry and is more practical, a solitaire with a cut that won't snag much will do. If she's a hippie chick, some thing more elaborate and romantic, maybe vintage. If you know what any of the terms I'm using mean, (ie: "cut", "vintage", "snag", etc), you're already better off than the average male and I'm sure you'll do fine.
#17 Oct 26 2005 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Moe's suggestion is about one step removed from giving your bride-to-be a gift certificate to Kay's

True, but she still gets the thrill of seeing the diamond when you propose.

EDIT: Besides, it would beat the hell out of the proposal my wife got...

We're having lunch one day, and I turn to her and say "So, my parents are coming out here in July, for a family reunion. Whatta ya say we save them the cost of another airline ticket and plan a wedding for for that week?"

In hindsight I can understand the incredulous look on her face and the lack of a gleeful "Yes!". In fairness to me, we had talked about it at length, and it was as close to a fore gone conclusion as I have ever seen that it would be happening. She did, soon after, get the down on one knee, "I already asked your dad's blessing, wanna get hitched?" proposal.

Edited, Wed Oct 26 11:56:33 2005 by MoebiusLord
#18 Oct 26 2005 at 10:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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It is pretty hard to find out even what type of ring a girl likes without heavily hinting that a proposal is incoming. I do have pretty good taste for a straight guy (you have seen my Monkey thong, for example). Maybe I will just trust my ability to be discerning.


It's actually pretty easy with most girls, all you have to do is comment on someone else's ring. For example, waiting in the grocery line you see an engagement ring on a magazine cover and say something like "God, that ring is hideous, why would anyone want a diamond that big?" Then she would likely chime in with her opinion on it and you can innocently ask slightly more probing questions or make comments like "I think the platinum rings are nicer looking than the yellow gold rings anyway..etc" and see what she says. Most girls are MORE than happy to make their preferences in that department very clear.

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#19 Oct 26 2005 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Good idea Nexa, but she is perceptive enough to notice such sly tactics. That just isn't the sort of conversation I would start.
#20 Oct 26 2005 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good idea Nexa, but she is perceptive enough to notice such sly tactics. That just isn't the sort of conversation I would start.


Of COURSE she is, but she'll PRETEND not to notice. Good lord, don't you know how this works. It's just like Christmas presents where you bookmark the catalog page or leave a webpage up by accident with the stuff you want on it. Give the girl a chance, haha!

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#21 Oct 26 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're having lunch one day, and I turn to her and say "So, my parents are coming out here in July, for a family reunion. Whatta ya say we save them the cost of another airline ticket and plan a wedding for for that week?"


haha, that's still not as bad as my mom and dad. My dad went out and got a tux and bought flowers and all that and did this whole romantic evening thing and at the end he gets down on one knee and proposes to my mother. Her response? "I guess so."

hahahaha, poor Dad.

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#22 Oct 26 2005 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Of COURSE she is, but she'll PRETEND not to notice. Good lord, don't you know how this works. It's just like Christmas presents where you bookmark the catalog page or leave a webpage up by accident with the stuff you want on it. Give the girl a chance, haha!


I DO know how this works, however when it comes to suprises I like to operate so it comes completely out of the blue!
#23 Oct 26 2005 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Diamond engagement rings are evil and a symbol of consumerism.

I went the sneaky route and probed for ring info during offhand conversations. Unfortunately, I gave it to her on Feb. 14, so I'll never get it back.
#24 Oct 26 2005 at 10:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not allowed to get into tirades about the evils of DeBeers and the created "tradition" of the diamond engagement ring with the ladyfriend if I know what's good for me.

And I do know what's good for me so I'll shut up now lest she read this forum.
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#25 Oct 26 2005 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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Of COURSE she is, but she'll PRETEND not to notice. Good lord, don't you know how this works. It's just like Christmas presents where you bookmark the catalog page or leave a webpage up by accident with the stuff you want on it. Give the girl a chance, haha!


I DO know how this works, however when it comes to suprises I like to operate so it comes completely out of the blue!

I'm telling you, call her sister or friend. Best way to go about it, IMHO. They won't want to be known as the one who ruined the surprise so they won't tell her.


As for the "created tradition" bit, shaddup with that. Unless it's a burning cause for you throughout your life or something, it just makes you look like you're cheap.
#26 Oct 26 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not allowed to get into tirades about the evils of DeBeers and the created "tradition" of the diamond engagement ring with the ladyfriend if I know what's good for me.

And I do know what's good for me so I'll shut up now lest she read this forum.

The whole notion really sours me to the practice. The tradition of the union ring itself is fairly well rooted in our history, but the mass commercialization of the process disgusts me. What's worse is that it's so well ingrained in our society that it gets propogated so easily by the ignorant.

In the end there isn't much you can do about it. Just pucker up, get a fatalistic attitude, and buy her the thing. Deep inside, you know it's wrong and you will feel dirty...but if she thinks it means you love her then you do it.
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