Can someone link me the punishment for opening other peoples mail?
Double points for canadian version of it, its a federal crime.
Story to follow.
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I'm sure it falls under here somewhere:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-21/index.html
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http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/P-21/index.html
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bodhisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
Can someone link me the punishment for opening other peoples mail?
Double points for canadian version of it, its a federal crime.
Story to follow.
Double points for canadian version of it, its a federal crime.
Story to follow.
Any info about that will be found here http://www.privacyinfo.ca/
Just a note, if you are talking about email at work, that email is company property as opposed to yours. Personal email is something all together different.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 83 > § 1703
§ 1703. Delay or destruction of mail or newspapers
(a) Whoever, being a Postal Service officer or employee, unlawfully secretes, destroys, detains, delays, or opens any letter, postal card, package, bag, or mail entrusted to him or which shall come into his possession, and which was intended to be conveyed by mail, or carried or delivered by any carrier or other employee of the Postal Service, or forwarded through or delivered from any post office or station thereof established by authority of the Postmaster General or the Postal Service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(b) Whoever, being a Postal Service officer or employee, improperly detains, delays, or destroys any newspaper, or permits any other person to detain, delay, or destroy the same, or opens, or permits any other person to open, any mail or package of newspapers not directed to the office where he is employed; or
Whoever, without authority, opens, or destroys any mail or package of newspapers not directed to him, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
§ 1703. Delay or destruction of mail or newspapers
(a) Whoever, being a Postal Service officer or employee, unlawfully secretes, destroys, detains, delays, or opens any letter, postal card, package, bag, or mail entrusted to him or which shall come into his possession, and which was intended to be conveyed by mail, or carried or delivered by any carrier or other employee of the Postal Service, or forwarded through or delivered from any post office or station thereof established by authority of the Postmaster General or the Postal Service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(b) Whoever, being a Postal Service officer or employee, improperly detains, delays, or destroys any newspaper, or permits any other person to detain, delay, or destroy the same, or opens, or permits any other person to open, any mail or package of newspapers not directed to the office where he is employed; or
Whoever, without authority, opens, or destroys any mail or package of newspapers not directed to him, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
No just a straight up piece of regular mail.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Sorry, this might actually be more appropriate: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/42458.html
The first one I linked seems more to do with the government not invading privacy/using personal information.
Hope this helps!
Nexa
The first one I linked seems more to do with the government not invading privacy/using personal information.
Hope this helps!
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Ok fine, what they said! haha, I'm too slow :)
Nexa
Nexa
For the US I found this:
Here.
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Similarly, it would be improper and a violation of federal law for someone to open and read another person's mail, even if lax security, such as an unlocked mailbox, permitted the intrusion.
Here.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
bodhisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
Story to follow.
Come on man. Let slip the juicy details of this tomfoolery.
Seems others did better than me. All I found was this off the Canadian post office's website:
Federal criminal penalties exist for fraudulent use and/or tampering with the mail, including fines or imprisonment.
They weren't forthcoming with the details of what said penalties were.
Federal criminal penalties exist for fraudulent use and/or tampering with the mail, including fines or imprisonment.
They weren't forthcoming with the details of what said penalties were.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Thank you all for the help.
So the story,
It was my day off and I woke up and was drinking some coffee and doing a Baron run (WoW), my girlfriend is puttering around reading, and gets up to check mail. We occassionally receive mail for the last tenant. Well she has some and instead of marking it and leaving it for the postman to pick up and return she bring it back to the apartment.
I think nothing of it since I'm a little busy with the Baroness, all of a sudden I hear mail being opened and I look back and there she is opening other peoples mail. I of course reply "WTF do you think you are doing" in a voice that is in a complete "are you retarded" tone.
She tries to justify it saying something silly along the lines "if they didnt want people to go through it they should change their adress" etc. Not to politely I state that 1) its a federal crime 2) the burden doesnt lie on the person 3)thats about the most stupid childish excuse I have ever heard.
Then she gets mad at me and storms out and goes for a walk.
I love the girl but I have seen this behaviour before, she wants to do something but she knows it is wrong and she thinks it over and tries to justify until she convinces herself that it okay. Always on small petty stuff but this time I kind of snapped at her like "you just did something even a child knows is wrong what is wrong with you?"
So yeah now I'm in the dog house and incase the argument comes up again I want to be able to drop some facts and seem more knowledgeable on the subject.
Edited, Thu Oct 20 15:42:16 2005 by bodhisattva
So the story,
It was my day off and I woke up and was drinking some coffee and doing a Baron run (WoW), my girlfriend is puttering around reading, and gets up to check mail. We occassionally receive mail for the last tenant. Well she has some and instead of marking it and leaving it for the postman to pick up and return she bring it back to the apartment.
I think nothing of it since I'm a little busy with the Baroness, all of a sudden I hear mail being opened and I look back and there she is opening other peoples mail. I of course reply "WTF do you think you are doing" in a voice that is in a complete "are you retarded" tone.
She tries to justify it saying something silly along the lines "if they didnt want people to go through it they should change their adress" etc. Not to politely I state that 1) its a federal crime 2) the burden doesnt lie on the person 3)thats about the most stupid childish excuse I have ever heard.
Then she gets mad at me and storms out and goes for a walk.
I love the girl but I have seen this behaviour before, she wants to do something but she knows it is wrong and she thinks it over and tries to justify until she convinces herself that it okay. Always on small petty stuff but this time I kind of snapped at her like "you just did something even a child knows is wrong what is wrong with you?"
So yeah now I'm in the dog house and incase the argument comes up again I want to be able to drop some facts and seem more knowledgeable on the subject.
Edited, Thu Oct 20 15:42:16 2005 by bodhisattva
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Sorry, here's the link where I got it from. Lemme work on Canada's for you.
yeah your gf is being a snoop and it sounds as if she knows it by her defensive stance and trying to justify it. I think one of things you could do if you wanted, was to call the Post Office and make them aware that the lats resident no longer lives here. I know that the first 6 months your mail will be forwarded to your new address if you havent yet changed your address with your credit cards and stuff and after that it will go to the old address. But if you tell them she no longer lives there they might just keep it at their office until the last resident calls in with ehr newe address
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It was my day off and I woke up and was drinking some coffee and doing a Baron run (WoW), my girlfriend is puttering around reading, and gets up to check mail. We occassionally receive mail for the last tenant. Well she has some and instead of marking it and leaving it for the postman to pick up and return she bring it back to the apartment.
I think nothing of it since I'm a little busy with the Baroness, all of a sudden I hear mail being opened and I look back and there she is opening other peoples mail. I of course reply "WTF do you think you are doing" in a voice that is in a complete "are you retarded" tone.
She tries to justify it saying something silly along the lines "if they didnt want people to go through it they should change their adress" etc. Not to politely I state that 1) its a federal crime 2) the burden doesnt lie on the person 3)thats about the most stupid childish excuse I have ever heard.
Then she gets mad at me and storms out and goes for a walk.
I love the girl but I have seen this behaviour before, she wants to do something but she knows it is wrong and she thinks it over and tries to justify until she convinces herself that it okay. Always on small petty stuff but this time I kind of snapped at her like "you just did something even a child knows is wrong what is wrong with you?"
So yeah now I'm in the dog house and incase the argument comes up again I want to be able to drop some facts and seem more knowledgeable on the subject.
Edited, Thu Oct 20 15:42:16 2005 by bodhisattva
I think nothing of it since I'm a little busy with the Baroness, all of a sudden I hear mail being opened and I look back and there she is opening other peoples mail. I of course reply "WTF do you think you are doing" in a voice that is in a complete "are you retarded" tone.
She tries to justify it saying something silly along the lines "if they didnt want people to go through it they should change their adress" etc. Not to politely I state that 1) its a federal crime 2) the burden doesnt lie on the person 3)thats about the most stupid childish excuse I have ever heard.
Then she gets mad at me and storms out and goes for a walk.
I love the girl but I have seen this behaviour before, she wants to do something but she knows it is wrong and she thinks it over and tries to justify until she convinces herself that it okay. Always on small petty stuff but this time I kind of snapped at her like "you just did something even a child knows is wrong what is wrong with you?"
So yeah now I'm in the dog house and incase the argument comes up again I want to be able to drop some facts and seem more knowledgeable on the subject.
Edited, Thu Oct 20 15:42:16 2005 by bodhisattva
A piece of unsolicited advice, bro.
Being right isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Say that it's against your ethics and it upsets you and you would prefer she didn't do it if you must. But don't bring what's legal and not legal into what she is going to see as a dispute between you and her.
I *HAD* this same argument with a SO before. I won the battle, but lost my drilling rights on some of her property, if you catch my drift.
To be fair, while technically illegal I doubt the Mail Police will be kicking in your door. Depending on how long you've been living there, if the previous tenet isn't getting their mail forwarded I'd probably stop giving a rat's *** about them.
Seems a trivial issue to fight over. Ah, young love.
Seems a trivial issue to fight over. Ah, young love.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
TStephens wrote:
A piece of unsolicited advice, bro.
Being right isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Say that it's against your ethics and it upsets you and you would prefer she didn't do it if you must. But don't bring what's legal and not legal into what she is going to see as a dispute between you and her.
Meh ... go for the jugular. KILL, KILL, KILL!
The humans ability to rationalize such things is amazing. It almost makes me wonder if people truly believe the things they make up to justify these actions. Next time you're in bed with her you should give 'er the old Donkey Punch and tell her that if she didn't want it she shouldn't have taken her panties off. 
edit to add the appropriate contractions
Edited, Thu Oct 20 15:54:31 2005 by Jacobsdeception
edit to add the appropriate contractions
Edited, Thu Oct 20 15:54:31 2005 by Jacobsdeception
Doesn't sound like this fight is worth going after. You gotta pick your fights well.
If it were me, I'd back down and apologize. You may be RIGHT, but you won't be happy until she is.
If it were me, I'd back down and apologize. You may be RIGHT, but you won't be happy until she is.
Jophiel wrote:
Depending on how long you've been living there, if the previous tenet isn't getting their mail forwarded I'd probably stop giving a rat's *** about them.
My husband bought this house in 1996 and we still get mail for the previous occupants from time to time. It's gotten to the point where we just toss it.
You might have kept your cool better, Bodhi, but really it sounds like your gf was being ultra-defensive because she knows she was in the wrong, and maybe because she was embarrassed by being caught in her compulsion to snoop. It's like someone walking in on you when you are checking out the medicine cabinet in their home--you tend to want to make it their fault for not knocking first.
I agree with the others, is this argument really worth winning?
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The previous tenent probably doesn't want the mail. I know I've moved before and not bothered to give a forwarding address because the only mail I was getting anyway was utilties and junk.
The 'lectric company always knows where you live.
The 'lectric company always knows where you live.
xythex wrote:
I agree with the others, is this argument really worth winning?
Don't give in Bhodi! If you let this slip, then she's won. It might seem like a small victory, but in reality it will just be one more nail in your eventual marital coffin. Next thing you know you'll be under her thumb for eternity!
Soon she'll be making you break the law. This is a power struggle which you cannot afford to lose. She'll get inside your head and control you. It will be a life of stealing people mail, robbing old ladies, and beating up homeless guys for their cans. Mark my words, lose this scuffle and lose your manhood.
Bodhi wrote:
So yeah now I'm in the dog house and incase the argument comes up again I want to be able to drop some facts and seem more knowledgeable on the subject.
***** the power play. If you want something, give something. I would apologize for the way you spoke to her. No one enjoys being called stupid and childish, but no reason to explain why you're right when it's obvious to both of you that you are. I agree with Ambrya, she's embarrassed at her behavior and probably more upset that she couldn't flirt her way out of it.
As for arguments not being worth winning... Something tells me this isn't about this, but the several other times you have argued about issues like this. My advice? Cut to the chase and tell her:
1. You love her
2. You're sorry you lost your temper, and
3. It tries your patience when she won't take responsibility for doing something she knows is wrong.
If you offer to try to watch your words and how you phrase things so they're less hurtful, maybe she'll offer to rein in the inner child a bit more.
Edited, Thu Oct 20 16:24:39 2005 by Atomicflea
She may also have reacted the way she did because she was expected you to play along with her and read the dude's mail.
Throwing down the law may have startled her and caused her to flip out like a ninja.
Throwing down the law may have startled her and caused her to flip out like a ninja.
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Bodhi wrote:
So yeah now I'm in the dog house and incase the argument comes up again I want to be able to drop some facts and seem more knowledgeable on the subject.
I would apologizr for the way you spoke to her. No one enjoys being called stupid and childish, but no reason to explain why you're right when it's obvious to both of you that you are. I agree with Ambrya, she's embarrassed at her behavior and probably more upset that she couldn't flirt her way out of it.
As for arguments not being worth winning... Something tells me this isn't about this, but the several other times you have argued about issues like this. My advice? Cut to the chase and tell her:
1. You love her
2. You're sorry you lost your temper, and
3. It tries your patience when she won't take responsibility for doing something she knows is wrong.
If you offer to try to watch your words and how you phrase things so they're less hurtful, maybe she'll offer to rein in the inner child a bit more.
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