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#1 Oct 14 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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would you peoples be in agreeance that the introduction of the internet on a global scale is historically parallel to the introduction to the Printing Press during the Middle Ages?

concider that after the printing press... people could actually own a copy of thieir own Bible... thus being to make their own interpretations of thing... no to mention all of the other writting of the time that spread around and inluenced society at that time.. SHortly afterward.... the Protestant Reformation happened... once the Church could no longer hold the population under it's sway as before.


now concider the internet... obviously the world is now able to share ideas and thoughts at an exponentially higher rate then ever before in history. People have blogs, share ideas over forums.... can spread thier religious and social values, and debate them....

Now the real point I'm trying to make with this is in regard to Islam.

Many people say that Islam is getting worse and worse, by way of Muslims seemingly becoming more extreme.... but I really doubt that this is the case.... We only see waht's in front of our faces.... The problems that are occuring now are the result of hundred of years of Western colonialism and exploitation of the Mid-East.... Religion just happens to be the wrapping that the package of retribution comes in..

So more and more we are indeed seeing an increased number of Muslims condemning the violent interpretations of Islamic extremism.... somthing that I believe NEver would have happened before the Information Age... Suddenly people are able to share their ideas and form their own opinions and interpretation about religion..


So would this mean that some sort of Islamic Reformation may be in the making? and if so.... should one be worried... due the past history of such things.. such as the slew of religious wars that occured following the Protestant Reformation?



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#2 Oct 14 2005 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
Yep.

Just look at Iran.

It's the passing of a generation.

The growing pains of the newest major world religion.

#3 Oct 14 2005 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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Printing press... Bibles... Ideas... Thoughts...


Fu[i][/i]ck man. You forgot the most important part:


The ****!
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#5 Oct 14 2005 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
would you peoples be in agreeance that the introduction of the internet on a global scale is historically parallel to the introduction to the Printing Press during the Middle Ages?

concider that after the printing press... people could actually own a copy of thieir own Bible...


Yes! Except now your comment would read. "Concider that after the interweeb ... people could actually watch pron, buy thingamabobs and wrtie a paper all a the same time."

Yes with the interweeb came the immensely important ability of one handed typing and multi-tasking.
#6 Oct 14 2005 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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Yes with the interweeb came the immensely important ability of one handed typing and multi-tasking.


Back to **** again.

#7 Oct 14 2005 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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AngstyCoder wrote:
Even most idiots who can barely function can read a language, get access to the internet, and even make a website.


Smiley: drool2
#8 Oct 14 2005 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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AngstyCoder wrote:


Even most idiots who can barely function can read a language, get access to the internet, and even make a website.



I thank MYSPACE for that.
#9 Oct 14 2005 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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AngstyCoder wrote:


Even most idiots who can barely function can read a language, get access to the internet, and even make a website.



I thank Tom for that.


Fixed.
#10 Oct 14 2005 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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AngstyCoder wrote:
The printing press was never availble to the general public, and books were still very expensive. Not to mention most medievil peoples were rather illiterate.

Even most idiots who can barely function can read a language, get access to the internet, and even make a website.

I see those as big differences.



The printing press may not have been available to the general public, but neither are web-servers... It was the mass prouction and distribution of books that would matter.

Even though they were probably quite expensive... at least mybe during the fist few decade... I believe that they would have actually become quite cheap or at least more accessable.(kinda like home PCs)

Keep in mind that Pictures would have played a major role in learning in those days... But it would only be inevitable that as the number of books increased (including ****) that the level of literacy would increase...

keep in mind that centuries of social progress back then, would probably equate to a mere decade of progress today..

I mean, without the Printing Press, there would have been no Renaissance..(kinda like home PCs)

Edited, Fri Oct 14 15:50:39 2005 by Kelvyquayo
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#11 Oct 14 2005 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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#12 Oct 14 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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#13 Oct 14 2005 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Keep in mind that Pictures would have played a major role in learning in those days...


I have to disagree. Scholars (almost exclusively Monastic or the Higher nobility) were literate and had access to books.

The rest relied on verbal information, usually from the local priest. Pictures weren't something seen by the mass populus outside of church walls.

Printed matter was highly exclusive and had about as much popular impact on Medieval Europeans as Tivo has in the Sahara.

Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
I mean, without the Printing Press, there would have been no Renaissance.
That's tenuous as well.

The Renaissance was well underway before Gutenberg, and it was another century or so before mass printing took off. I'll concede it accelerated the High Renaissance.

Actually I find the whole comparison pretty vapid. Even if you factor in 20th Century secularism vs a 15th Century Christian society, you're on thin ice.
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#14 Oct 14 2005 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Tivo in the Sahara.

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Good points.

But I would have to press(heh) the fact that public literacy would have been stimulated some time after the dissemination of the multitudes of bodies of knowledge that were being newly produced on a more massive scale. This would have also diminished some level of dependance on the church and state for education..whether it be scriptural or how to build a cathedral..

Concider that this would have also lead to developement in the preservation of knowledge as well.... a key factor in the growth of science and technology.

I don't think the comparison is too much out in left-field.
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#15 Oct 14 2005 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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As for the preservation of knowledge, most pre-16th century books were still hand-scribed.

Literacy among the laboUring classes didn't really start to hit Europe until the 17th or 18th Century.

In the UK mandatory schooling was a 20th century phenomenon, so literacy has only been truly wide-spread for less than 100 years.

I hear literacy is due to hit the USA some time in next few decades Smiley: grin

And I'm in an argumentative mood tonight, so I may come back later and get nit-picky about the number of vowels in your post
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#16 Oct 14 2005 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Going back to your earlier point re: the quick dissemination of knowledge and its effect on the spread of religious extremism, in this instance Islam: a friend of mine made an excellent point that Islam is about at the same stage, roughly, as the Christian movement was at the onset of the Crusades. One could hypotesize that Islamic extremism is happening now because of the developmental state of Islam itself.

You realize what that means, right? In another 950 years or so Scientology will be declaring holy war on, well, everyone!
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#17 Oct 14 2005 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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keep in mind the accelerated rate of development in these modern times though... 950 years of development back then could equate to 40 years of development today.

I hear the Scientologists have armed compoundsSmiley: yikes

Edited, Fri Oct 14 16:24:20 2005 by Kelvyquayo
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#18 Oct 14 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Going back to your earlier point re: the quick dissemination of knowledge and its effect on the spread of religious extremism, in this instance Islam: a friend of mine made an excellent point that Islam is about at the same stage, roughly, as the Christian movement was at the onset of the Crusades. One could hypotesize that Islamic extremism is happening now because of the developmental state of Islam itself.

You realize what that means, right? In another 950 years or so Scientology will be declaring holy war on, well, everyone!


Tom Cruise will be their inspirational religious figure head in battle too.
#19 Oct 14 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Good
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Tivo in the Sahara with you...
#20 Oct 14 2005 at 3:20 PM Rating: Good
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Tivo in the Sahara with you...
I loved that movie/song/play/infection!! Smiley: inlove

Right. Nobby's off to the pub.

Argue among yourselves until I get back squiffy and full of ale, kebabs and drunken arguments.


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#21 Oct 14 2005 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
OH!

That was Nobs?

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#22 Oct 14 2005 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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don't you recognize those tits?Smiley: grin
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#23 Oct 14 2005 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
Those were tits?

*shudders*
#24 Oct 14 2005 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
don't you recognize those tits?Smiley: grin


The pumpkin musta through him off a lil.
#25 Oct 14 2005 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
That was a pumpkin?!?

;)
#26 Oct 15 2005 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
would you peoples be in agreeance that the introduction of the internet on a global scale is historically parallel to the introduction to the Printing Press during the Middle Ages?

concider that after the printing press... people could actually own a copy of thieir own Bible... thus being to make their own interpretations of thing... Blah blah.. yada.. yada..






Yes I agree totally. Now where's the beer in this joint? ya ramblin bastid Smiley: lol
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