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#27 Oct 13 2005 at 1:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I mean, go to a factory farm where they raise pigs and you'll see @#%^ing thousands of animals much smarter than bunnies (and sentient I might add too)
Regardless of how intelligent swine are considered to be, I doubt many would consider them much more self-aware than your average lagomorph.
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#28 Oct 13 2005 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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How many non-feral rabbits have you handled?


Raised them as a kid, they actually make a decent casserole. Terrible housepets though, unless of course you spend time training them.
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#29 Oct 13 2005 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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#30 Oct 13 2005 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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Nope it's true, the stupid bastards would push their way behind the fridge in order to have a tasty electrical cord treat, that and they shi[/b]t everywhere.
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#31 Oct 13 2005 at 6:54 PM Rating: Good
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Something that everyone always wante to do but never had the balls.
Wrong.

Food source, maybe, but parents generally don't take their kids to the slaughterhouse to watch the fun.

I'm sorry, but I'm convinced that this urge to hurt or kill small animals is testosterone driven. I've never known of any woman who thought this stuff was funny at any age.


#32 Oct 13 2005 at 7:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Mr Jackson said: "We're disgusted, speechless and shocked. If you spend your life working with and looking after animals, this is something you cannot conceive."



This whole story reminds me of when I was a kid, I had a pet ball-python(Named Nixon), anyway when it came time to feed it, a few of my friends always wanted to come watch. The python eventually got big enough to where it would eat baby rabbits. How is that any different really? Your feeding a rodent to a reptile. Alligators, do put more of an impressive show I would imagine. I think these "boys" just helped nature do what nature would have done if it were a natural setting. People that got all upset by the situation just need to quit being pus[b][/b]sies.
#33 Oct 13 2005 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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How many zoos do you know of that feed live animals to other animals in front of visitors?

Oh, that's right... none.
#34 Oct 13 2005 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
First, I think the real tragedy here is how this has been glamorized internationally in the news. THAT promotes the behavior more than anything else.

Second, the kid needs to spend the next few years working a job, buying the food for the zoo, and doing the feeding himself. That should get it out of his system.

Third, I never knew Dracoid was named Albert.
#35 Oct 13 2005 at 10:22 PM Rating: Good
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#36 Oct 13 2005 at 10:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yanari the Puissant wrote:
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Something that everyone always wante to do but never had the balls.
Wrong.

Food source, maybe, but parents generally don't take their kids to the slaughterhouse to watch the fun.

I'm sorry, but I'm convinced that this urge to hurt or kill small animals is testosterone driven. I've never known of any woman who thought this stuff was funny at any age.


Agreed. It's the same impulse that makes boys shoot the neighbor's pets with BB guns.
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#37 Oct 13 2005 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Yanari the Puissant wrote:
I'm sorry, but I'm convinced that this urge to hurt or kill small animals is testosterone driven. I've never known of any woman who thought this stuff was funny at any age.


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DSM Criteria for Conduct Disorder

A. A repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated, as manifested by the presence of three (or more) of the following criteria in the past 12 months, with at least one criterion present in the past 6 months

Agression to people and animals

(1) often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others
(2) often initiates physical fights
(3) has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (for example, a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun)
(4) has been physically cruel to people
(5) has been physically cruel to animals
(6) has stolen while confronting a victim (for example, mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery)
(7) has forced someone into sexual activity

Destruction of property

(8) has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage
(9) has deliberately destroyed others' property (other than by fire setting)

Deceitfulness or theft

(10) has broken into someone else's house, building, or car
(11) often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (that is, "cons" others)
(12) has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (for example, shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery)

Serious violations of rules

(13) often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years
(14) has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in parental or parental surrogate home (or once without returning for a lengthy period)
(15) is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years

B. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.

C. If the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Specify type based on age at onset:

Childhood-onset Type: onset of at least one criterion characteristic of Conduct Disorder prior to age 10 years
Adolescent-Onset Type: absence of any criteria characteristic of Conduct Disorder prior to age 10 years

Specify severity:

Mild: few if any conduct problems in excess of those required to make the diagnosis and conduct problems cause only minor harm to others
Moderate: number of conduct problems and effect on others intermediate between "mild" and "severe"
Severe: many conduct problems in excess of those required to make the diagnosis or conduct problems cause considerable harm to others

Cause:

This disorder has been attributed to many factors including poor parenting, child abuse, poverty, and children brought up in chaotic environments. Roughly 6 to 16% of boys and two to 9% of girls have this disorder.

More testosterone-driven than not, but not exclusive to men.
#38 Oct 13 2005 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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Rabbits are terribly skittish, they also tend to kick and bite when handled.


How many non-feral rabbits have you handled? I doubt the 4-H kids spend much time training their rabbit, aside from the normal feeding and holding it.


*cough*

Well. As the likely only former 4-H member of the forum, who also raised rabbits, I can confirm that it really takes *zero* training to get a rabbit to sit there and let people pick them up.

They're rabbits. You stick them in an enclosed area. You put feed and water nearby. They hop around. Not really that much to it...

Now. When you use the branding tool on their ears... That's when they kick and scream. It's basically a vice thing with slots where you put metal tablets (kind of like old school printing presses). Each tablet is flat on one side and has a bunch of raised sharp points on the other. The sharp points are in a pattern to form a number or letter. You put the correct number/letters into the vice thing (don't remember how many digits it held), use a roller to put ink on the sharp bits, and then clamp it down over the rabbits right ear. Yeah. I imagine it hurts...


Um. But since they are rabbits and are incredibly stupid animals, they'll forget you did that an hour later and you can pick them up and handle them (unless it gets infected. I do recall you had to do something with rubbing alchohol in there somewhere as well).
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#39 Oct 13 2005 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Nope it's true, the stupid bastards would push their way behind the fridge in order to have a tasty electrical cord treat, that and they **** everywhere.
You have got to look on the brighter side of things. Just pretend it's some THC-rich resinous material from a well known plant and sell the little pellets to your local junkies. Just make sure to change area after awhile. Even though they don't have the brains of a rabbit, they will eventually catch on.
#40 Oct 13 2005 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm sorry, but I'm convinced that this urge to hurt or kill small animals is testosterone driven.


...Yep, that does in fact sum it all up.
#41 Oct 15 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know. To me, it's much more cruel to imprison a wild predator, take it thousands of miles away from where it belongs where it can't even get enough real sunlight and has to be baked under lamps in order to even survive and feed it only dead things than to take an animal that, given the reproductive rate, was probably meant to be food anyway and feed it to said predator.
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Zoo director Chris Jackson said staff and visitors were "sickened" by the "senseless barbarity" of the rabbit's death.

If the "senseless barbarity" of the predator/prey relationship is so "sickening" to you, maybe you should be accountants and not zoo staff. As for the visitors, I wonder if it ever occured to them how many human children were being beaten by their parents during the time they were prancing around crying about this. One really is senseless barbarity. The other is just the way things are.
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If you spend your life working with and looking after animals, this is something you cannot conceive.

Rabbit plus alligator equals lunch. The closest I get to working with animals is changing a litterbox and even *I* got that one down.

Yeah, I know they're probably referring to the act of taking the rabbit and giving him to the alligator in the first place, then acting like it's funny or something, but jeez, it's not like he picked up someone's baby and threw it in there. It's a freaking bunny.

And yeah, maybe some of the littler kids who were there having fun petting the bunnies were a little traumatized by the unscheduled episode of Wild Kingdom there, but having all the adults around them flip out about it too probably didn't help. In fact, people who grow up with the notion that prey shouldn't be eaten end up being complete wussies. I dated a guy who would get p*ssed watching the Discovery Channel because sometimes, they'd show predators doing what predators do. I ended up breaking up with him when I realized that he was basically a woman with a ***** (that and after three years of having this dude pretend to be Barney Bada$$ thinking he was beating me up, I got tired of him windmilling me like a ***** and busted his head into a closet door [I swear to god it's the truth. I have pictures]. After that he didn't want to go out with me anymore).
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North Wales Police said no-one had been charged

With what? Perpetuating the natural order? Fulfilling the destiny of a prey animal? Watch, if they catch this kid, they'll charge him with a property crime and then the "Bunnies are People, Too" crowd will be able to sleep the righteous sleep of those in blissful denial of their own hypocrisy. The only person in all this who treated the rabbit the way the Creator intended was the dude who gave him to the alligator.

But I definitely feel happy for the alligator here. For the first time in more than twenty years, he got some real food.

BTW: Yes, for the record, I do agree that both the rabbit and the alligator, in terms of the law, are the property of the zoo and non-zoo personnel had no business determining what should happen to either.
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