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#1 Oct 11 2005 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I think that it does as radiation.. like light and vibrations. Does not everything give off these things? I think this would be waht all the radiation expanding off into the universe would be...

This would probably mean that the present is pretty fu[b][/b]cking tiny.. assuming that the future does not exist already.. which really wouldn't make too make sensewould it?
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#2 Oct 11 2005 at 12:34 AM Rating: Good
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Another entry from "Thoughts from the Bong"
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#3 Oct 11 2005 at 12:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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HELMET: What the hell am I looking at? When does
this happen in the movie?

SANDURZ: Now. You're looking at now, sir. Everything
that happens now, is happening now.

HELMET: What happened to then?

SANDURZ: We passed it.

HELMET: When?

SANDURZ: Just now. We're at now, now.

HELMET: Go back to then.

SANDURZ: When?

HELMET: Now.

SANDURZ: Now?

HELMET: Now.

SANDURZ: I can't.

HELMET: Why?

SANDURZ: We missed it.

HELMET: When?

SANDURZ: Just now.


/nod
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#4 Oct 11 2005 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Time is the 4th dimension. Events that happened in the past aren't like...still in existance. They happened when they happened, to exist in the NOW, they'd still have to be happening. I'm typing now. I've typed in the past, but that's over and done with. The result of my typing is still around today (in the form of posts and blogs and gened papers fu[b][/b]ck those) but the actual act of typing is in the past and thus is no longer happening and does not exist.

The past doesn't exist just like dinosaurs don't exist.
#5 Oct 11 2005 at 1:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not so sure that it exists physically. I think that we just don't forget nearly as much as we think we do.
#6 Oct 11 2005 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Everything is based on energy so why wouldn't the past exist in another form, why would it's energy just die?

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Edited, Mon Oct 17 02:52:52 2005 by niobia
#7 Oct 11 2005 at 2:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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The past doesn't exist just like dinosaurs don't exist.

The dinosaurs don't themselves exist, but their bodies decomposed and were absorbed into the Earth. Conservation of matter, my friend.


I agree with you, but that's a horrible analogy.
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#8 Oct 11 2005 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, but good luck getting there.
er...then

Edited, Tue Oct 11 03:37:46 2005 by shadowvincent
#9 Oct 11 2005 at 6:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Time is an illusion. And the only variable that allows you to move from point A to point B without being at all places simultaneously.
#10 Oct 11 2005 at 6:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone knows if you generate enough speed while circling the sun, you enter time warp.

Of course the past exists.




It's just a jump to the left.........


.....and then a step to the right.
#11 Oct 11 2005 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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....and onward til morning
#12 Oct 11 2005 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Quote:
HELMET: What the hell am I looking at? When does
this happen in the movie?

SANDURZ: Now. You're looking at now, sir. Everything
that happens now, is happening now.

HELMET: What happened to then?

SANDURZ: We passed it.

HELMET: When?

SANDURZ: Just now. We're at now, now.

HELMET: Go back to then.

SANDURZ: When?

HELMET: Now.

SANDURZ: Now?

HELMET: Now.

SANDURZ: I can't.

HELMET: Why?

SANDURZ: We missed it.

HELMET: When?

SANDURZ: Just now.

/nod



HELMET: When will then be now?

SANDURZ: Soon.

HELMET: .......How soon?


Mel Brooks FTW.
#13 Oct 11 2005 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
If the past exists, then we exist to the future. If that were true, we would have been visited by time-travelers from then by now. Assuming we don't wipe ourselves out.

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#14 Oct 11 2005 at 11:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think of time as less a tangible thing than as a convenient construct brought on by the way our conscious minds are set up. We have strong memories and the ability to plan events that need not be executed immediately. This gives us notions of "past" and "future", though we only ever exist in the Now.

The present moment is all we ever have. Our lives are lived on the bleeding edge of reality. (Ain't it grand?)
#15 Oct 11 2005 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Pssh, this thread is so like ... in the past.
#16 Oct 11 2005 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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well, if the past exists as radiation.. (kinda like the Big Bang still exists as some kinda background radiation) then it could be that it is in the form of light, heat, and vibrations and are simply expanding outward into the universe.

don't just think of it as US, but every atom in existance.



This would mean the the Present is constantly being destroyed and re-created... It is the constant destruction and reconstruction of the form of every particle in the universe that comprise the Present.

Time , in that sense, is the progression of change....


Concider however, the "levels" of change... from a galactic scale, to a quantum scale... Some things would seem to never change.. or to be "set" the way that they are... I believe that this is merely from our own stand point.. After all, if we were the size of galaxies, wouldn't human activity seem rather fleeting insignificant to us?

back to work..




oh yeah,, so if the "past" does exist still in the form of various radiation... that implicates that it wil always exist.. the past in it's entirety is still included in the "present".



Edited, Tue Oct 11 13:28:50 2005 by Kelvyquayo
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#17 Oct 11 2005 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Buzzcocks wrote:
I always used to dream of the past
But like they say yesterday never comes
Sometimes there’s a song in my brain
And I feel that my heart knows the refrain
I guess it’s just the music that brings on nostalgia for an age yet to come

Ah nostalgia for an age yet to come
Nostalgia for an age yet to come

About the future I only can reminisce
For what I’ve had is what I’ll never get
And although this may sound strange
My future and my past are presently disarranged
And I’m surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come
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#18 Oct 11 2005 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
the past isnt really a radiation. Events of the past are stored in electrons.

Your past is stored in your body`s electron.

You ARE your past. Mean that you are made from your past.

The futur events can be seen. but not the futur itself. All choices that you will have to take already exist.

the "now" is when you have to define what choice you will take.

the past still exist ... the future already exist... they both can be seen.

the "NOW" is the only one who will come only once.

We are our past and our future.

We "live" in the present. The right question I think is : What is "To Live" exactly ?

Edited, Tue Oct 11 13:39:17 2005 by FrYzZ

Edited, Tue Oct 11 13:40:06 2005 by FrYzZ
#19 Oct 11 2005 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
well, if the past exists as radiation.. (kinda like the Big Bang still exists as some kinda background radiation) then it could be that it is in the form of light, heat, and vibrations and are simply expanding outward into the universe.

don't just think of it as US, but every atom in existance.



This would mean the the Present is constantly being destroyed and re-created... It is the constant destruction and reconstruction of the form of every particle in the universe that comprise the Present.

Time , in that sense, is the progression of change....


Concider however, the "levels" of change... from a galactic scale, to a quantum scale... Some things would seem to never change.. or to be "set" the way that they are... I believe that this is merely from our own stand point.. After all, if we were the size of galaxies, wouldn't human activity seem rather fleeting insignificant to us?

back to work..




oh yeah,, so if the "past" does exist still in the form of various radiation... that implicates that it wil always exist.. the past in it's entirety is still included in the "present".



Edited, Tue Oct 11 13:28:50 2005 by Kelvyquayo

First of all, if the past exists in the form of radiation, that means that the future exists as well. However, the future cannot exist because it hasn't happened yet. A logical impossibility.

Is it just me or does Kelvy's argument remind anybody of choas theory?
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#20 Oct 11 2005 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Rotate 4-corner scribes to create 4 squared circles.
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#21 Oct 11 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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#22 Oct 11 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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The past exists, I've been there. I outsmarted bullies, almost faded into oblivion, and then totally rocked the house playing Johnny B. Goode.


#23 Oct 11 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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The only reason I understand any of this is becasue I read the Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide.


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#24 Oct 11 2005 at 2:05 PM Rating: Decent
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And on another note:

Just how long is "now"? What is the smallest measurement of time? If everything is constantly being destroyed and re-created at the smallest measurement of time (if such a thing exists), well... um... damnit. I was on a roll.

Am I the only one thinking we're gonna stumble on to the secret of the atomic bomb?
#25 Oct 11 2005 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can't think of time in divisible measurements. Think of it like an indefinite integral. Except there is no constant of integration.
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#26 Oct 11 2005 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
In a word: No.

In a few words: Some of you people are completely f'ucking retarded. Of course not, dumbasses.

Reasoned: We are not our past. We are not made of our past. Chopra proposes that as the cells in our body recycle and replace themselves on a [9 week] cycle, so do we ourselves become new in that same cycle. Of course, Chopra fails to recognize the persistence and lack of regeneration of brain cells, so Chopra fails.

Science fiction theorises that faster than light travel will place us at a time before the occurence we view at travels commencing. This fails to take in to account that time does not stand still simply because we haven't seen the light (on so many levels). Faster than light travel would simply allow us to an event prior to those at our point of origin see it.

The idea that Time is a fourth dimension, and therefore able to be manipulated in a similar manner to the spacial 3 dimensions is inherently flawed. The constructs used to demonstrate this idea deal with relativism and fail to take in to account the march of time without regard for the localized implement. The idea that a bouncing ball in a vessel would take longer to bounce as c is approached than a bouncing ball in a stationary position ignore the fundamental operation of time.

So, while the reflection of the past will always exist in the form of long range light travel, our relation to it will remain irrelavent as it is but an illusion.
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