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#1 Oct 07 2005 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
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-Schrodingers Cat: there is exactly a 50% probability that the the cat is alive or dead, the cat will exist in a superposition of both states and will be a half-live half-dead cat.

Ok. I'm thinking of the ramifications of this paradox. If it has indeed been proven to be 'true' that all quantum constituants must follow the same laws.... perhaps we are not in any position to recognize the true nature of these "laws". Of course though we are aware that our mere obervation of the law itself would effect it.

Imagine if instead of a cat being used in this, if it was "Schrödingers Human-Being". If in some way in the universe that some sort of "split" happens, in which 2 seperate quantum realities are initiated in which A or B happens... the how would that account for the point of view of the person in the box? In other words, waht is the nature of the perspective of the person Inside the box as opposed to a person observing Outside the box?

If indeed the reality is that there are two seperate opposite states occuring at the same time... yet the person inside must only see one.... unless this would mean that 2 people are created.... However that would be beyond the bounds of the perspective of the Inside person.. To them, there is only one reality, which contradicts that there are two realities from Outside of the box. Which is why it's a paradox i guess..
but
Waht would this say about the nature of thought?
Waht is defined as true "observation"? is it hearing? seeing?

It would be the act of Thinking about it. The entire quantum state would have to exist in your mind simultainiously in order for you to truly observe somthing. Through the facilities of your senses are you able to Think about things... or to Observe things. Measurments, experiments, obervation; all of these things further grant us further understanding of things. The more we understand somthing the more we would be effecting it.

The big question then is: How does this "communication" occur?

Could it not be said that everything that we experience is our environment "communicating" with our minds? By knowing somthing and idea is created. An idea must have some actual structure of some sort. Thought itself is the processing of observed information, and as could be said, strictly electro-chemical reactions to environmental stimuli. So to say "communicate" would be misleading in this sense. None the less, withing these electro-chemical reactions that we call thought are also quantum-electrodynamic reactions.

Waht I am rambling about, is that if by controlling our mode of observation of the universe, we could consciously change the universe around us.

Evidence shows that quantum particles can react to one another from seemingly anywhere in the universe. Evidence also shows that the mere observation of somthing can effect the quantum state of the universe. If you put it together you will see that upon observation of somthing, the quantum states of waht is being observed and the observer become entangled, and thus can react to one another. By way of relative perception, we would believe that the door only swings one way, and that the observer only reacts to the observed, however, as all of this evidence shows, the door in fact swings both ways. Wehn you are looking at somthing, hearing somthing, or even thinking of somthing you become inectricably connected to it, no matter wah it is. The atomic structure doesn't matter, the distance doesn't matter, AND perhaps even TIME doesn't matter.



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#3 Oct 07 2005 at 1:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Metaphysics 4TW!





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#4 Oct 07 2005 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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#5 Oct 07 2005 at 4:27 AM Rating: Good
Hey God,


Nice thing you've done with the cat, there. I read about it a few times, still impresses me every time. When you've got a few minutes, you mind tidying up my life a bit? It's a shambles.

THX, LOTSA LOVE, YOUR HUMBLE SERVANT AND ALL THAT CRAP, KK,

Tom
#6 Oct 07 2005 at 4:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Pics plz? Kkthx.
#7 Oct 07 2005 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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I think perhaps "god" is in the bag this morning. Smiley: lol



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#8 Oct 07 2005 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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So you got high and threw up on the keyboard. Nice job.









Also, please forgive me for sinning as I think I killed my neighbors cat as I drop kicked it over my roof after attacking my cat. Thanks.
#9 Oct 07 2005 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Metaphysics 4TW!





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We should all move to Mt. Olympus and see what happens.
#10 Oct 07 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
Well considering the universe that you observe is in fact, the only universe you exist in...

You are in fact, the god of your universe.

It's the god of all universes you have to worry about.

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"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. Q.E.D."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
- From the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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#11 Oct 07 2005 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Overlord Demea wrote:
Metaphysics 4TW!











No. It's not Metaphysics. It's Quantum electro-dynamics...






I'm thinking I should have made the Title less shiny and distracting...




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#12 Oct 07 2005 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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#13 Oct 07 2005 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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and Eight Thousand, Bit[/u]ches

Prostrate yourselves before my divinity!


pfffft Smiley: spam

Edited, Fri Oct 7 12:54:06 2005 by Lefein
#14 Oct 07 2005 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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Prostrate yourselves before my divinity!

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Congo rats! Put back up Q for old time's sake.

#15 Oct 07 2005 at 2:20 PM Rating: Default
A bit silly and sophmoric interpretation of Schrodingers Cat Example. I was never really a fan of that example anyways because of its innate disrespect for the simple concept its trying to present: You cannot determine a systems configuration without effecting the outcome. There is no metephysical implications to this. Seems like yet another mis-interpretation of basic quantum mechanics in an effort to drive psuedoscientific debates.
#16 Oct 07 2005 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
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A bit silly and sophmoric interpretation of Schrodingers Cat Example. I was never really a fan of that example anyways because of its innate disrespect for the simple concept its trying to present: You cannot determine a systems configuration without effecting the outcome. There is no metephysical implications to this. Seems like yet another mis-interpretation of basic quantum mechanics in an effort to drive psuedoscientific debates.





how about reading it and conprehending it before you start using your "instant ****-upon" reflex?


Oh, I forgot.. that's waht you do.



Waht is Psueo-scientific about this? and I am not the one that claimed it to be mete-physical.


just admit that it's beyond your comprehension or shut the **** up.

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Seems like yet another mis-interpretation of basic quantum mechanics


yeah, I bet it Does SEEM that way to you..

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#17 Oct 07 2005 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Actuall.... honestly.. to ake it easier for you.. the Last paragraph is the most relevant:



Evidence shows that quantum particles can react to one another from seemingly anywhere in the universe. Evidence also shows that the mere observation of somthing can effect the quantum state of the universe. If you put it together you will see that upon observation of somthing, the quantum states of waht is being observed and the observer become entangled, and thus can react to one another. By way of relative perception, we would believe that the door only swings one way, and that the observer only reacts to the observed, however, as all of this evidence shows, the door in fact swings both ways. Wehn you are looking at somthing, hearing somthing, or even thinking of somthing you become inectricably connected to it, no matter wah it is. The atomic structure doesn't matter, the distance doesn't matter, AND perhaps even TIME doesn't matter.
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#18 Oct 07 2005 at 5:58 PM Rating: Default
Kelvyquayo, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
Actuall.... honestly.. to ake it easier for you.. the Last paragraph is the most relevant:



Evidence shows that quantum particles can react to one another from seemingly anywhere in the universe. Evidence also shows that the mere observation of somthing can effect the quantum state of the universe. If you put it together you will see that upon observation of somthing, the quantum states of waht is being observed and the observer become entangled, and thus can react to one another. By way of relative perception, we would believe that the door only swings one way, and that the observer only reacts to the observed, however, as all of this evidence shows, the door in fact swings both ways. Wehn you are looking at somthing, hearing somthing, or even thinking of somthing you become inectricably connected to it, no matter wah it is. The atomic structure doesn't matter, the distance doesn't matter, AND perhaps even TIME doesn't matter.



Mind showing me this evidence, or do you insist on mere speculation on what again shows itself to be your EXTREME lack of understanding of every physics concept you have ever posted on. But what do i know, im only a physicist.

Edited, Fri Oct 7 19:12:06 2005 by EvilPhysicist
#19 Oct 07 2005 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Well its not evidence so much as it was a forwarded e-mail. Also the e-mail was actually a concoction and blatantly misquoted the person in question. However the main jist of his argument still stands.

...you don't have a problem with that do you?
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#20 Oct 07 2005 at 6:32 PM Rating: Default
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Well its not evidence so much as it was a forwarded e-mail. Also the e-mail was actually a concoction and blatantly misquoted the person in question. However the main jist of his argument still stands.

...you don't have a problem with that do you?


Yes i do, the entire "jist of his arguement" takes so many wrong assumtions and immature views of quantum physics that it insults the very nature of the subject. Im not trashing Kelv, but im simply pointing out that this email is not some interesting way to look at life and the universe, but simply a misunderstanding of a basic principle.
#21 Oct 07 2005 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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Then I shagged Schrodinger

The cat was better
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#22 Oct 07 2005 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Obviously you missed the point of my post.

See, I was being sarcastic. I was in fact pointing out a previous thread of yours in which you came to a conclusion using a forwarded email that misquoted the original statement and then tried to say that despite those facts that the jist of your argument was unflawed.
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#23 Oct 07 2005 at 7:21 PM Rating: Default
bodhisattva Defender of Justice wrote:
Obviously you missed the point of my post.

See, I was being sarcastic. I was in fact pointing out a previous thread of yours in which you came to a conclusion using a forwarded email that misquoted the original statement and then tried to say that despite those facts that the jist of your argument was unflawed.


I didnt come to any grandeous conclusions in that previous topic, i merely quoted the forward (which included the direct quote i was so angry at) and then showed how i was upset by it.

In this case, misquoted or not, the entire statement is offbase and incorrect. So either Kelv misquoted the source or the source misquoted the originial person, either way all we have to debate is the quote at hand, in which remains little physical integrity and no knowledge of the subject it wishes to debate.
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#26 Oct 07 2005 at 11:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Blah blah blah wrote:
Mind showing me this evidence, or do you insist on mere speculation on what again shows itself to be your EXTREME lack of understanding of every physics concept you have ever posted on. But what do i know, im only a physicist.




BLah Blah Blah

EP, you crack me the Fu[/b]ck Up with your utterly barbaric ignorance.

I'm pretty much conviced that you are in NO WY a physicist. Not after the total idiocy I've seen spewing from you.


Ego wrote:
[b]Evidence shows that quantum particles can react to one another from seemingly anywhere in the universe.


http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Einstein-Podolsky-RosenParadox.html


Ego wrote:
Evidence also shows that the mere observation of somthing can effect the quantum state of the universe.

WEll.. If you need me to provide you with "proof" of that one.. then you're to fu[/b]ckin dumb for me to even be associating with.... Have you read up on ANY Quantum Theory?

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-measurement/



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