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#27 Oct 05 2005 at 10:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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#28 Oct 05 2005 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, but the signs are already emerging that they won't always sell for $600k. I'm not qualified to say when the market will drop or how dramaticly but as interest rates rise people aren't able to afford to pay six-hundred grand for a two-fifty home. For that matter, there does seem to be some general "waking up" with people deciding that perhaps the house isn't really worth that and opting to look for employment and housing in other markets rather than pay tremendously inflated prices on a modest home in a modest neighborhood. Home pricing will have to adjust itself and, in this case, "adjust" means "go down". At the very least, people will be less willing to buyon speculation leading to more homes on the market leading to (Heaven willing) a downward trend. The upshot being that buying a new home at an inflated price right now might not be the best of ideas if you intend to see it maintain or grow in value.


Agreed. In my neck of the woods, it is estimated that up to 1/3 or the new houses/ property purchased is being done so be investors, not final home-buyers. We are potentially looking at a major major housing surplus that could take years to recover from.

Real Estate is cyclical. It always has been, it always will. I am just trying to time it so that I get in at the right time at the beginning. That is the only real way to make any money in it.
#29 Oct 05 2005 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
Lots of NJ folks tend to head south. AKA Florida. Why, I am not sure. There are a lot less hot/wet places to call home afetr retirement.

Trust me if I could afford the buy in and start playing the Real Estate Game, I would make my money and get the **** outta Jersey.
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that is exactly what the retiring baby boomers are doing. anything near the water is skyrocketing.

there will be a bubble burst eventually. places like south florida, where i live, will not see it however. prices will level off for a while then start their slow climb at 4 to 5 percent again eventually, but they will not fall.

places like houston, and other large cities whose housing boom is fueled by easy cheap money from low interest rates and relaxed lending rules will crash, however.

people who stand to benifit the most are people who have owned a home for over 5 years and are close to retirement. and people in high interest areas who will be willing to sell and relocate to a less expensive area when they do retire.

people who stand to loose the most are the sheep who bought into the "get it now" craze from all the cheap money flowing around, but do not live in a high interest area, nor are close to retirement. when the interest rate goes up, their pot of gold will turn into a pot of lead overnight.

the best plan would be to sell before Bush leaves office and rent till the bubble burst, then buy, for those not living in a high interest area. when to sell, not if, will determine who ends up in bankrupcy court, and who ends up in a nice house in a good neibhorhood.

because of the manipulation with the lending rate and lending rules, housing has turned from a long term retirement plan into a short term commodity to be traded. the government shifted the economy from stocks and bonds to housing. from wholesale and retail to home building.

it is like a bridge to cover the gap from our floundering manufacturing structure dieing from outsourcing.

on the world view, we have become a user society instead of an industrial society. a user society cannot sustain itself and will eventually fall.

but we have one thing left to sell. freedom and democracy. as long as this place continues to be a place in the world like south florida is a place in the U.S., a place of interest, people will want to live here weather they make their money in china or mexico.

the downside to this rosey face down card are the masses of working class living here. they will be subjegated to low paying service industry jobs with little to no hope of anything more. teh U.S. will become like a third world country. a place where the wealthy of the world live in their shiny castles tossing coins at the pesants, with NO MIDDLE CLASS.

we are on the wrong path. our government is to far gone down this path to see any other path.

it is time for a change.
#30 Oct 05 2005 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nothing like a half-cocked ramble against the machine to ruin a somewhat intelligent discussion about the housing market.
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#31 Oct 05 2005 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Soracloud Quick Hands wrote:
My job here is useless.
Bannana harvester?


Might as well be. I Do stupid and mundane graphics for a Miller Lite Distributor. Basically anything that pays more than squat and does not involve math, I will jump at.
#32 Oct 05 2005 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ahhh... I thought you meant that your skills aren't applicable to your local job market. Well, if you want to buy new in Chicago you'd better move fast before you're living in Kane County and commuting two hours a day to LaSalle Street. Smiley: laugh

Well, the lady anyway

Edited, Wed Oct 5 12:08:24 2005 by Jophiel
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#33 Oct 05 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to mention about SR's claim of nationalizing the insurance industry into a gov't run program. Both in Manitoba and British Columbia(probaby more) they have taken over the auto insurance.

Overall the cost for insurance is lower than those where auto insurance is privatized but the pay outs are lower and there seems to be just the same amount if not more trouble in getting a payout because in the end you are dealing with insurance and the govt.



Edited, Wed Oct 5 12:19:46 2005 by bodhisattva
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#34 Oct 05 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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people who stand to benifit the most are people who have owned a home for over 5 years and are close to retirement. and people in high interest areas who will be willing to sell and relocate to a less expensive area when they do retire.

people who stand to loose the most are the sheep who bought into the "get it now" craze from all the cheap money flowing around, but do not live in a high interest area, nor are close to retirement. when the interest rate goes up, their pot of gold will turn into a pot of lead overnight.

the best plan would be to sell before Bush leaves office and rent till the bubble burst, then buy, for those not living in a high interest area. when to sell, not if, will determine who ends up in bankrupcy court, and who ends up in a nice house in a good neibhorhood.


I quit skimming at this text (more skimming than deserved I know)

People who have owned their home for 5+ years are not going to benefit at all. In the first 10 years is when all of your interest is paid to your house, if you have owned your house for 20 years you may of paid off half of it. If your house was worth 200k before the bubble burst (say you paid 150) and now it is worth 150, you still owe the same amount but your house is worth less. That is 1 hell of a benefit let me tell you ...

How is someone who bought a house more stupid/ignorant/retarded than someone listening to a doomsayer and sells their house for pennies compared to what they could of sold it for in 8 months or 2 years from now? As others have stated their is no logical way to predict the bursting of the bubble. Just Because Bush leaves office does not mean the real estate market is going to crash the day after, effects sometimes take years to be felt.

Real estate prices are a cycle, if you bought a house right now and financed it at a lower rate, lived through the marketing going to crap and then sold your house when it was rising again, then you probably made out like a bandit. Sold your house for more than you paid and it didn't cost you an arm and a leg to finance it either. Your pot of gold grew larger than the ****** who bought a smaller house (less growth potential) but paid 5% higher in interest than you.



Edited, Wed Oct 5 12:16:46 2005 by Kronig
#35 Oct 05 2005 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
Nothing like a half-cocked ramble against the machine to ruin a somewhat intelligent discussion about the housing market.
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you consider it ruining the disscussion about housing, because, like the masses, you consider them two differant problems or events.

i am trying to show you there is a direct connection to the machine and the raging housing market for the last five years.

the problem with the masses, and our country for that matter, is people only focus on what directly affects them, and like checker players vs chess players, only look at the first or second layer of the problem.

the machine is directly responsible for the housing market skyrocketing in the last 5 years.

if you can begine to understand that, you can begine to see the ineviatable conclusion, and better plan to avoid the ineviatable crash.

the machine and the raging housing market are not two problems, they are one and the same. the insurance industry,s legal ability to ***** the consumer and the machine are one and the same problem. our failing industrial system and the machine are one in the same problem.

the machines soultion to the ineviatable crash? secure a commodity that will be valuable for atleast the next hundred years. and take steps to make sure that commodity stays in demand.

oil.

iraq.

no major spending on solar or hydrogen fuel. big tax breaks for oil industry and more drilling.

housing, the economy, big bussiness trampleing on consumers, iraq.

all connected. all the same problem. the path the machine chose.

you sheep can connect the dots when bush mentioned iraq and 9-11 in every speach on security, which makes you good checker players, now take it further. peel back a few more layers. connect the rest of the dots. become chess players.
#36 Oct 05 2005 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Nothing like a half-cocked ramble against the machine to ruin a somewhat intelligent discussion about the housing market.


Hey now, he had some logically sound and important topics to add.

Like this.

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on the world view, we have become a user society instead of an industrial society. a user society cannot sustain itself and will eventually fall.


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but we have one thing left to sell. freedom and democracy. as long as this place continues to be a place in the world like south florida is a place in the U.S., a place of interest, people will want to live here weather they make their money in china or mexico.


I've learned alot about housing personally.
#37 Oct 05 2005 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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but we have one thing left to sell. freedom and democracy. as long as this place continues to be a place in the world like south florida is a place in the U.S., a place of interest, people will want to live here weather they make their money in china or mexico.


The hurricanes in Florida stay mainly in the projects unlike the monsoons in China and Tsunamis in Japan. Without monkeys, why would the Mexican drug mules deliver the goods? It's because of freedom. Bob bless America.
#38 Oct 05 2005 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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you consider it ruining the disscussion about housing, because, like the masses, you consider them two differant problems or events.
I consider it ruining the discussion because no one cares about your long-winded diatribes that offer no solutions other than vague "time for another tea party" clichés. For all your crying, so far the most concrete action I've seen from you (or even suggested by you) was that you went on a cruise, decried the conditions of the employees and then said you'd definately support Disney's policies by paying them more money to go again 'cause it was lots of fun.

You're the worst kind of hypocrite; you not only go against your own professed beliefs but you make others who may have cared numb to real problems by constantly subjecting them to a never-ending barrage of random whining and insults with nothing to back it up. You're a parody and a posterboy of everything the Right claims liberalism to be.

Edited, Wed Oct 5 12:37:52 2005 by Jophiel
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#39 Oct 05 2005 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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you consider it ruining the disscussion about housing, because, like the masses, you consider them two differant problems or events.
I consider it ruining the discussion because no one cares about your long-winded diatribes that offer no solutions other than vague "time for another tea party" clichés. For all your crying, so far the most concrete action I've seen from you (or even suggested by you) was that you went on a cruise, decried the conditions of the employees and then said you'd definately support Disney's policies by paying them more money to go again 'cause it was lots of fun.

You're the worst kind of hypocrite; you not only go against your own professed beliefs but you make others who may have cared numb to real problems by constantly subjecting them to a never-ending barrage of random whining and insults with nothing to back it up. You're a parody and a posterboy of everything the Right claims liberalism to be.

Sexy!
#40 Oct 05 2005 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Sexy!


Hey...no fair...I've been saying that stuff the entire time.

Granted my version was "Shut the fu[b][/b]ck up, no one cares". I was hoping for sexy in a primal animal way.

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You're a parody and a posterboy of everything the Right claims liberalism to be.


Smiley: lol
#41 Oct 05 2005 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Sexy!


Hey...no fair...I've been saying that stuff the entire time.

Granted my version was "Shut the fu[b][/b]ck up, no one cares". I was hoping for sexy in a primal animal way.

Your kitty looks like a young George Burns. That's kind of cute.
#42 Oct 05 2005 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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CHA-CHING




That's what I was going for. Groucho Marxs meets George Burns meets Hitler with red hair.
#43 Oct 05 2005 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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you know an inasanely large portion of your insurance cost is all broker fees. I work at a car lot and my good friend is our insurance agent, she makes an ungodly sum of money off broker fees. She told me that the insurance portion is actually rather inexpensive but then the broker tacks on whatever amount they want to and thats where you get your total.
#44 Oct 05 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
socialism can be you friend
#45 Oct 05 2005 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
CHA-CHING




That's what I was going for. Groucho Marxs meets George Burns meets Hitler with red hair.
Godwins meets Duck Soup!
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#46 Oct 05 2005 at 4:26 PM Rating: Good
consider it ruining the discussion because no one cares about your long-winded diatribes that offer no solutions other than vague "time for another tea party" clichés. For all your crying, so far the most concrete action I've seen from you (or even suggested by you) was that you went on a cruise, decried the conditions of the employees and then said you'd definately support Disney's policies by paying them more money to go again 'cause it was lots of fun.
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the vietnam war ended, inspite of people like you, because people like me pointed to the kettle and called it black.

in your basic problem solving proceedure, you first, and foremost, must recognize the problem.

that is my mission. to make some of you atleast recognize the problem.

a solution, and a plan of action to achieve it only comes after the problem is recognized. in the political arena, you must get the masses to recognize there is a problem. right now, there are many that do. but untill that many becomes the vast majority, all that can be done is to try and educate the masses.

the problem with soaring housing prices, soaring energy prices, innocent people being butchered in defenseless countries, the mass exodus of manufacturing jobs, natural disasters being poorly handeled resulting in death to many, U.S. laws being openly violated, our poor standing in the enternational community, insurance companies leaving people without coverage for a hurricane, imminent domain being used to take private property to sell to for profit bussiness.........

all of these problems.......

are all one in the same. they are fed to you a piece at a time so you dont play connect the dots like you did with Iraq and 9-11.

but they are all the same problem.

the machine heading in the wrong direction.

before anyone can do anything, the masses need to be able to recognize the problem. the masses need to be educated.

people like you are exactly why vietnam lasted as long as it did. someone looking for a fight, but unable to distinguish how his true foe really is. uneducated. a republican.
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that is my mission. to make some of you atleast recognize the problem.
So you've made it your mission to stand around crying and demanding that people fix stuff.

How noble.
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#48 Oct 05 2005 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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the republican government that allows insurance comapnies to seperate flood damage caused by a hurricane from the wind damage that left thousands of people in florida and new orleans without any coverage when their house was destroyed?


I hadn't realized Clinton forced insurance companies to include flood insurance as part of regular homeowner's insurance. I also didn't realize that Bush had control over the insurance companies. Oh wait, Clinton didn't and Bush doesn't.

I didn't read any more after that shadow, but I'm sure it talked about sheep and the moral majority. Don't you ever get tired of being ignorant?
#49 Oct 05 2005 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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Bush is teh debil.

Here in the Sahara Desert, I insured my Icy-popsicle against melting, for $7 bajillion dollars, and the bastages are denying my claim.

Hey Shadowrelm. I hear ya buddy.

Vote Roosevelt next time!
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#50 Oct 05 2005 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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CAPTAIN SHADOWRELM: "that is my mission. to make some of you atleast recognize the problem."



CAPTAIN SHADOWRELM

SUPERHERO!

SAVIOUR OF THE ENTERNATIONAL COMMMUNITY!



He's on hand with an mispelled adjective,

If ever things get sticky,

He'll help you with basic problem solving proceedure

If you find them republicans tricky.



His ability with verbs, you know,

Really knows no bounds,

And when he goes to bed at night

He only dreams in politically cliched nouns.



He likes to feel emotions,

Because they are poetic,

He likes people, pets, Disney Cruise ships, sheep and tea parties.

He's very politically nihilstic.



Ranting about things, and generalizing political stuff,

He does it all the time,

Hooray for Captain Shadowrelm,

A hero who can bring people too sleep with his use of "majic" !

Hooray!


Here is a photo-collage of Captain Shadowrelm filling out the paper work from those Evil republican insurance adjusters on his trip through "insurance world".

Notice the "I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take anymore!" look he is giving the camera.

Ahh what majic.
#51 Oct 06 2005 at 8:17 AM Rating: Default
I hadn't realized Clinton forced insurance companies to include flood insurance as part of regular homeowner's insurance. I also didn't realize that Bush had control over the insurance companies. Oh wait, Clinton didn't and Bush doesn't
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that is because you are uneducated. you do not pay attention.

THIS addministraition signed a bill that allowed insurance companies to seperate water damage from windstorm damage as a result of a natural disaster.

before the bill was signed, if a hurricane hit your home, but didnt do any structural damage, but rising water from the hurricane destroyed your house, your natural disaster clause in your insurance contract covered it.

now it does not.

as a result, over 70 percent of the people in new orleans, and a few thousand people here in shouth florida have NO COVERAGE for their homes that were destroyed by hurricane katrina. their houses survived the storm, but succumbed to rising water as a result of the storm.

the bill was signed, and little was mentioned about its impact on the consumer.

the people how paied attention went out and paid for a seperate flood policy, even if they were not in a flood zone. the people who didnt are standing in line at the banckrupcy court.

you are absolutly uneducated in this matter. this addministriation allowed this to happen, knowing full well the intent was to eliminate a good 70 percent of the libility to insurance companies from storm damage coverage.

and put that liabnility on the backs of the people who had NO IDEA they neede additional coverage as a result of this bill.
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