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#1 Oct 04 2005 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
So here's the paradigm, you have a Communist government that wants to qualm any dissent, yet you have corrupt leaders in certian towns. Would you not be happy to find out who they are so you could torture them and assign new leadership? Apparently, the Chinese would rather say, STFU n00b, and be done with the whole matter. Is that not counter productive to a functional communist state? Would a site like this not benefit the government as a spy glass to allow them to keep their thumb on their "academics, journalists and rights activists"?

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BEIJING - Chinese authorities have shut down an online discussion forum that reported on anti-corruption protests in a village in the country's south as well as a Web site serving ethnic Mongolians, overseas monitors said Tuesday.

China routinely shuts down or blocks Web sites that operate outside of government control, but the issue has received heightened international attention in recent weeks with the publication of new rules aimed at stifling online dissent.

Radio Free Asia, a U.S.-based broadcaster, said an online forum that covered protests in the village of Taishi has been closed. It said the site had been popular among academics, journalists and rights activists.

Residents of Taishi, which is near the manufacturing hub of Guangzhou, had demanded that their village chief be removed from office and investigated for allegations of embezzlement and fraud.

Several villagers were reportedly injured in a clash with police last month when they tried to prevent police from seizing accounting ledgers that they said contained evidence of corruption.

Police and local authorities have refused to comment.

The Taishi protest came amid a series of increasingly bold actions by villagers around China to bring attention to grievances ranging from pollution to corruption and illegal land seizures.

Meanwhile, the Paris-based group Reporters Without Borders said China had shut down an online forum for ethnic Mongolian students, called http://www.ehoron.com, for allegedly hosting separatist content. Attempts Tuesday to view the page called up a message that said: "You are not authorized to view this page."

The press group said Beijing's controls on ethnic minorities were more restrictive than for the rest of China's population.

It said the government also temporarily closed the Web site of a law firm in China's Inner Mongolia region, called http://www.monhgal.com. That site could be accessed Tuesday.

China last month issued new rules banning Internet news services from inciting illegal assemblies, marches and demonstrations as well as prohibiting activities on behalf of unauthorized civil groups.
#2 Oct 04 2005 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, coming from the fact that most Communist states want to quiet dissent more than out corruption, I don't see where the issue is.
#3 Oct 04 2005 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Elderon the Wise wrote:
So here's the paradigm, you have a Communist government that wants to qualm any dissent, yet you have corrupt leaders in certian towns. Would you not be happy to find out who they are so you could torture them and assign new leadership? Apparently, the Chinese would rather say, STFU n00b, and be done with the whole matter. Is that not counter productive to a functional communist state? Would a site like this not benefit the government as a spy glass to allow them to keep their thumb on their "academics, journalists and rights activists"?


Isn't this exactly why communist governments don't work on large scales? Corruption hinders the system from ever being truly fair.
#4 Oct 04 2005 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually, coming from the fact that most Communist states want to quiet dissent more than out corruption, I don't see where the issue is.


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#5 Oct 04 2005 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Actually, coming from the fact that most Communist states want to quiet dissent more than out corruption, I don't see where the issue is.


Understandable, but how is talking about the corruption dissent?
#6 Oct 04 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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The article said that villagers were trying to prevent police from seizing the ledgers that proved their local leader's corrupt acts. This implies that the villagers have no faith that the Government is there to help them; they instead believe that once those ledgers are in police custody, they will either be rewritten or disappear entirely.

The dissent angle comes in from reporting that this protest happened - from reporting that people are not satisfied with the way problems are being handled, and that they are standing up to government authority. China's officials would much rather everyone go on believing that things like this only happen in corrupt western nations.

Power in the Chinese government has ossified at the top levels. Graft and corruption run rampant. The villagers were pissed off because they believe that once 'official channels' are brought in any hope of a suitable resolution goes out the window. Money will change hands, favors will be called in, the guilty will go free, etc. It's been that way for a long time.

I'm honestly surprised that China ever allowed basic internet access to their citizens. The net is a fantastic tool for distributing information, and while China can clamp down on sites here and there and over yonder, they can't stop people from using the medium for illegal purposes. (Wasn't there a recent article about an EU group offering a packet with instructions on how to blog through proxies so as to obscure the original source for stuff you're writing?)
#7 Oct 04 2005 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh34299_2005-09-25_11-54-00_pek89319_newsml

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"The state bans the spreading of any news with content that is against national security and public interest," the official Xinhua news agency said in announcing the new rules, which took effect immediately.

The news agency did not detail the rules, but said Internet news sites must "be directed towards serving the people and socialism and insist on correct guidance of public opinion for maintaining national and public interests
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#8 Oct 04 2005 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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I'm honestly surprised that China ever allowed basic internet access to their citizens. The net is a fantastic tool for distributing information, and while China can clamp down on sites here and there and over yonder, they can't stop people from using the medium for illegal purposes.

I think there is a balance that they needed to achieve here. They knew it would be next to impossible to deny or police connection to the web, but they have the ability to control the companies who host in their country.

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(Wasn't there a recent article about an EU group offering a packet with instructions on how to blog through proxies so as to obscure the original source for stuff you're writing?)

Yes, I'd link if I remembered where, but I do recall that same article.


Note: Oh noes! The Chinese gubberment has found this thread and is rating me down for dissent! Smiley: lol
#9 Oct 04 2005 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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